I'm fine pal... but then again I'm not the one who has been bleating on about the French for nearly 24 hours.We voted to go alone, that is a fact whether you like it or not. I sugest you learn to live with that fact rather than live your life trying to blame everything on it.
Absolutely spot on, just putting alternatives there to show how futile it all is.What they are saying is we should process and accept applicants via foreign soil. This will stop people trying to get here on boats. However once we do that those refused will try to come on boats anyhow. If we accept most then more will want to come and then we will need to refuse more so they will come on boats.
The same posters will then complain that we are allowing people to try and make a dangerous journey and we should allow more in. Their simple logic is basically if anyone wants to come in then let them. They were the same with immigration.
It’s why they won’t give numbers because when someone rightly says what happens when that number is reached their argument is fucked because the exact same problem would still exist.
Raises hand at the back...Once again for those at the back......
Its a breach of the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 (which the UK wrote) to disrupt the safe passage of an asylum seeker.
Its a breach of the UN Convention On the Law of the Sea 1986 not to render assistance to people in distress on the sea
It doesn't just fall on ''us'' we take one of the lowest numbers of refugees in Europe.
The solution is to provide safe passage by allowing asylum applications to the UK to be made from another country (like other civilised countries do) ......this would end the people smugglers and the deaths on the channel.
I heard the Dublin agreement wasn’t used hardly at all anyhow, I haven’t checked that because pardon the pun that ship has sailed. I know what the solution isn’t though, belly aching over something that happened 5 years ago.I’ve already accepted that the French are much more culpable than we are, however by us departing from the Dublin agreement there’s less motivation for the French to do what they’re supposed to do. It’s wrong but we have made it much more likely the French will only make a token effort to stop them because there’s no mechanism to send them back so they’re off their hands. Hopefully this tragedy will make them think that it’s more important to try and stop it happening again than trying to offload the problem to us thanks to us not being able to legally stop them.
No I cant. As you allude to in your reply this is a global issue much bigger than this cross channel Punch and Judy show and will get progressively worse.Can you tell me how we are supposed to help these people on French soil? Should we just rock up with a ferry everyday to Calais pile it full of people and sail back to Dover? It would be full everyday, how anyone blames us is beyond me, the French are watching them get on the boats and cross, they get to us we take them in. The French are pissing themselves, washing their hands of a load of people, they don’t give two shits if they make it or not, they make it it’s our problem, they don’t, oh well people will forget in a few weeks anyway. If we had a hard border with France like Poland is doing with Belarus would you advocate us doing what they have? I wonder what the French would do then?
I get your point it's hardly a new phenomenon. To suggest that would be akin to the idea that young males where choirboys before the female doctor came along.What exactly has brexit got to do with migrants trying to cross the channel by illegal means?
Im all ears?
It’s easy to just dismiss suggestions (not that I think the idea of processing applicants on foreign soil is that preposterous anyway), but clearly the current situation isn’t tenable either. Not sure what the solution is, but inertia isn’t really an option, nor is trying to lay all of the blame on the French either as others have sought to do.What they are saying is we should process and accept applicants via foreign soil. This will stop people trying to get here on boats. However once we do that those refused will try to come on boats anyhow. If we accept most then more will want to come and then we will need to refuse more so they will come on boats.
The same posters will then complain that we are allowing people to try and make a dangerous journey and we should allow more in. Their simple logic is basically if anyone wants to come in then let them. They were the same with immigration.
It’s why they won’t give numbers because when someone rightly says what happens when that number is reached their argument is fucked because the exact same problem would still exist.
I get your point it's hardly a new phenomenon. To suggest that would be akin to the idea that young males where choirboys before the female doctor came along.
Its equally disingenuous to suggest that the subsequent change in relations has no bearing on this whatsoever.
No bellyaching from me. We need to work with the French to stop this happening again and that means not playing the blame game and making out it’s all down to them. I don’t know the answer but isolating ourselves, pretending we’ve taken control of our borders and blaming them (even if they actually are largely to blame) isn’t the way to go about it. We’ve burnt a lot of bridges and we need to start rebuilding some in order to get a system in place that works.I heard the Dublin agreement wasn’t used hardly at all anyhow, I haven’t checked that because pardon the pun that ship has sailed. I know what the solution isn’t though, belly aching over something that happened 5 years ago.
Your obsession ain’t coming back anytime soon. I do wonder what is at the front of your concerns people drowning or Brexit point scoring. With the track record you lot have with every thread you can see why some might think your motivations are a tad suspect.
"Dublin" to a degree is not really relevent in this case as this thread and most of the posts are thinking purely about returns directly to France.I heard the Dublin agreement wasn’t used hardly at all anyhow, I haven’t checked that because pardon the pun that ship has sailed. I know what the solution isn’t though, belly aching over something that happened 5 years ago.