Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

SWP's back said:
To any others saying “he never advocated for violence” or that all he did was “calmly debate”, some light reading from our friends at Reddit, including sources.

Charlie Kirk's Documented Calls for Political Violence (2012-2024)

Direct Calls for Death and Public Executions:

* Called for President Biden to receive "the death penalty for his crimes against America" (July 2023)\^1
* "Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" - suggested children should watch (2024)\^2
* Called for "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor" invoking Nazi war crimes imagery (April 2024)\^3

Calling for Lethal Force Against Migrants and Minorities:

* Advocated lethal force against migrants: "If you enter, we have lethal force, and we're willing to use it" and "You can start with firing next to them" (March 2024)\^4
* Advocated using whips against migrants, asking "Why is that controversial?"\^5
* Warned of "enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes" requiring armed response\^6
* Directed supporters: "Buy weapons. Buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you"\^7

Violent Anti-LGBTQ+ Statements:

* Said he "would've loved" if fathers "formed a line" to physically confront transgender athletes: "you're going to have to come through us"\^8
* Called transgender people "an abomination" and "a throbbing middle finger to God"\^9
* Advocated handling LGBTQ+ people "the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s" (era of criminalization and forced institutionalization)\^10

Extreme Anti-Black and Antisemitic Rhetoric:

* Called George Floyd a "scumbag"\^11
* Said Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake"\^12
* "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'"\^13
* Called Martin Luther King Jr. "awful" and "not a good person"\^14
* Claimed Jewish people control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it"\^15
* "The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country"\^16

Great Replacement Theory and White Supremacist Messaging:

* Promoted "Great Replacement" theory: "not a theory, it's a reality" - Democrats seek to "diminish and decrease white demographics in America"\^17
* SPLC documents Kirk warning that "native born Americans are being replaced by foreigners" and promising Trump will "liberate" the country from "the enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes"\^18

Celebrating and Normalizing Violence:

* Said gun deaths are "worth it" to preserve Second Amendment rights\^19
* Promoted Christian nationalist "Seven Mountain Mandate" ideology calling for theocratic takeover through "spiritual warfare"\^20

Targeting and Harassment Campaigns:

* Created "Professor Watchlists" that resulted in death threats, rape threats, and antisemitic harassment\^21
* Arizona State University President documented that Kirk's watchlist generated "antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ+ and misogynistic attacks on ASU faculty"\^22
* One professor resigned after "nearly a year of harassment by right-wing, white supremacist media outlets"\^23
* Maintained "School Board Watchlists" targeting local education officials\^24

January 6 Capitol Attack Organization:

* Organized "80+ buses full of patriots to D.C. to fight for this president"\^25
* Admitted receiving "500 emails a minute calling for a civil war" before January 6\^26
* Pleaded the Fifth over 70 times when questioned by House January 6 Committee\^27

Civil Rights Organizations' Classification as Extremist:

* Southern Poverty Law Center added Turning Point USA to official "Hate Map" as "antigovernment extremist group" (2024)\^28
* Anti-Defamation League documents Kirk's systematic antisemitic rhetoric\^29
* Academic research from Cambridge Core and Brookings Institution documents Kirk's rhetoric following established patterns of stochastic terrorism\^30

Documented Legal Consequences and Criminal Investigations:

* Federal Election Commission fined Kirk's organization $18,000 for campaign finance violations\^31
* Multiple universities paid settlements totaling tens of thousands of dollars after Kirk's "Professor Watchlist" resulted in documented death threats\^32
* Criminal charges filed in multiple states against TPUSA personnel for violent confrontations, including felony assault charges in Arizona\^33
* Yolo County District Attorney investigating coordinated attacks at UC Davis that could result in felony charges carrying up to three years in prison\^34

International Recognition as Extremist:

* Socialist Worker UK described his content as a "cesspit of far right lies, vile racism, transphobia"\^35
* CBC Canada documented his "combative style" as making him a "potent political force" in promoting extremist ideologies\^36
* Al Jazeera noted Kirk's "provocative style" as deliberately inflammatory political messaging\^37

General Violence Normalization:

* Regularly promoted false claims about 2020 election integrity leading to January 6\^38
* Systematic rhetoric describing Democratic governance as illegitimate\^39
* Network Contagion Research Institute documents Kirk's systematic provision of mainstream legitimacy to white nationalist figures\^40

Sources:

\^1 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...son-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against)

\^2 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)

\^3 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...e-trial-every-gender-affirming-clinic-doctor)

\^4 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^5 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^6 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^7 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^8 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^9 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^10 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^11 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^12 [https://www.breezyscroll.com/world/...rld/the-us/charlie-kirk-controversial-takes/)

\^13 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^14 [https://populartimelines.com/timeli...timeline/Charlie-Kirk/controversies-scandals)

\^15 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^16 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^17 [https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mented-immigrants-are-not-proof-of-a-scheme/)

\^18 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^19 [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c...om/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/)

\^20 [https://politicalresearch.org/strat...sa-increasingly-leaning-right-wing-christian)

\^21 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^22 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^23 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^24 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^25 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-insurrection-buses-washington-tweet-1560727)

\^26 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^27 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-fifth-asked-his-age-jan-6-committee-1768952)

\^28 [https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...lc-laughingstock-listing-turning-point-hate/)

\^29 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^30 [https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-on-twitter/8BCBD1F909A861589D93F7124AFE1A7E)

\^31 [https://www.citizensforethics.org/n...point-action-fined-following-crew-complaint/)

\^32 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^33 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^34 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^35 [https://socialistworker.co.uk/comme...charlie-kkkirks-chickens-come-home-to-roost/)

\^36 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl.../world/charlie-kirk-death-reaction-1.7630652)

\^37 [https://time.com/7316280/charlie-ki...316280/charlie-kirk-dead-political-violence/)

\^38 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^39 [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ul-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/)

\^40 [https://libcom.org/article/network-...ate-fight-political-infection-left-and-right)
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Yeah, but Hillary’s emails . . . .
 
Dubai Blue said:
I may well be missing something here as I didn't watch the full video, but on the TMZ doorbell footage before the shooting, the guy is limping. The theory was that he had the gun down the leg of his trousers. So where's the gun when he leaps down from that roof and runs off into the housing estate? He didn't leave it on the roof as they found it in the forest behind those houses. And if it was able to be broken down and put in his backpack, why wouldn't he have just done that on his way to the scene instead of shoving it down his trousers?
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Why cant they show a picture of his full face instead of the side or looking down ?
Fucking weird !!
 
johnny crossan said:
Yes it is, the particular collation of incendiary quotes I asked for provenance of seemed scarcely credible from a figure allegedly so influential with millions of young Americans that he actually got Trump re-elected. He certainly came out with some stomach churning stuff. Interesting he was currently pushing for the Epstein files to be published.

Just watched a BBC video of extracts from his debates and it's linked to this article - I'll post if it becomes available.
www.bbc.co.uk

Charlie Kirk: Young fans and critics debate his political legacy

Kirk attracted fervent crowds, bringing young people into conservative politics, while at the same time shocking some with provocative opinions.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

www.bbc.co.uk

What to know about Charlie Kirk, Trump ally and conservative activist

The influential Trump ally who at age 18 set up Turning Point USA died in a shooting while speaking at a Utah campus event.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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More than interesting I'd say. There are a fair few MAGA who seem to be viewing him as a traitor for pushing for them to be released. There are still lots of possibilities in terms of who did it and why.

There's also the possibility that we end up with a convenient patsy...
 
Palerider said:
Does it matter? All you have to do is read the comments on here to understand that a lot of people are finding an excuse to justify the killing based purely on the victims politics. That's mentally sick surely?
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Which posts here specifically “justify the killing”?

You should probably have a list as long as SWP’s; you said “a lot”.
 
happy_blue_apple said:
What did he do? He pretty much just debated people in public and gave people a platform to oppose him. Isn't that a good thing?

He's been killed for speaking his views, that's it. He's never told people to go out and harm others. If others listen to him and agree with what he says about religion and politics, so what?

So his actions are maybe influencing people to hold more conservative views? That's it. What's the difference between that and influencing people to hold more liberal views?

I dont know what these "actions" are that you speak of regarding this fella.
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For the 3,894th time, you do not know why he was killed.

I believe you’re going to leave this thread after SWP’s post, or have a bit of a personal moral crisis if you say “So what?” to it, but I will reiterate — again for the 3,894th time — there is a difference among HAVING beliefs, SPEAKING your beliefs, and HOW you speak them.
 
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tweety said:
What are fragile young minds? Starmer's quite happy for 16 year olds to have the vote.
I've seen a couple of Kirk's YouTube videos over recent years, if that's the sort of stuff you like then watch it, if you don't, look for something else.
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These fragile young minds are in University where they are supposed to be challenged and pushed back from the liberal mindset on campus, as you rightly point out.

Most of Kirks views aren't/weren't exactly radical, most people would think that men pretending to be women and BLM are radical.
 
flook said:
There were somewhere in the region of 45000 deaths in america last year attributed to shootings. There were children killed in a school on the same day as Kirk was shot. How pray tell does this correlate with "guns save more lives than not"?
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Organisers should have gave all 3000 students at campus that day a handgun,, this would have made everyone safe and prevented that tragedy.
 
Already talk of pushing for the death penalty for the perpetrator if found. Probably deserves it, but depending on his motives could end up backfiring and making him a leftist/liberal /dei martyr in much the same way as Kirk is now a sort of rw/maga jesus.
 
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MarcIsTired1986 said:
Why would I have heard about it?

I don't follow anything to do with US Politics - and until recently only started paying some interest in UK Politics.

It's a Political Event that happened in America.

I don't know how much clearer I can be - I. DON'T. HAVE. ANY. INTEREST. IN. US. POLITICS.
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What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Posting. In. Here. For. Then. You. Fucknugget!!
 
A law enforcement official cited by the New York Times has now confirmed details of Donald Trump's comments to Fox News, saying a man was taken into custody at around 11pm local time (6am UK time) by Utah state and local police.

The unnamed official said authorities were not releasing the suspect's identity because they were still in the process of pursuing leads and executing search warrants.
 
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