Chelsea 2017/2018

I don't have to prove anything that I see with my own eyes at the match.
Next time you're over you may see it for yourself, in the mean time good day.
Don't have time to prove it?

So basically, we're to take your word for things? On faith. No proof necessary. About sustained, systematic cheating against Manchester City, so obvious... and yet no action from any jurisdictional body taking action?

Is this your position?
 
So basically it's this - any error on behalf of City is no evidence against a conspiracy against City, either knowingly or as a result of subconscious bias.

Well then, if that's your premise, your position is unassailable.

But really...

Why not take an unbiased view?

Actually tally up questionable calls for/against City over, say the last 5 years. Do the same for other sides.

Does the plus/minus for City lie beyond 3 or 4 standard deviations from what be expected by pure chance?

If so, you've got a great, scientific argument that you're in the right.

Meanwhile, you've got no basis whatsoever.
You've offered no insight/supporting evidence yourself that things do even out like for like and you're asking me to go back 5 years to do so? What are you talking about?

Also no... lets do season by season as circumstances change, not every season plays out the same and we know this, another error in your assessment there.

I already addressed all your "counter" points before you posted, there are glaring differences you've failed to acknowledge. The biggest one being a Watford is not the same as a Spurs or Chelsea lets not pretend that's the case so we can set our minds at rest(maybe you are happy that way but don't simply imply people are idiots for thinking otherwise... some of us have put some thought into it and not gone tinhat overboard). Is it really better to fool ourselves that we are sure it's impossible that refs(if not bent which is the extreme) could be possibly influenced by anti city agendas at times?

Do I need to remind you of all the wrong calls that were not defensible that went against us last season?

Like Walker being on the wrong side of Raheem who was through on goal electing to shove him in the back as he's lining up a shot? If not the ref then the linesman had to have seen that coming before he even did it and been ready for it.

Like Luiz body checking Aguero off balance who took a tumble as he was about to get in behind the defence with the ball? Common sense should have told the ref Aguero had no reason to go down, all that was left was a sprint with the ball into the penalty area and a goalscoring opportunity.

The Arsenal one is perhaps defensible(less so than the examples I gave in the post that went our way still) if you buy his excuse which I don't(handball Monreal, unnatural hand movement towards the ball with the arm). There was also a stonewall pen against Everton not given, despite them not being top 6 they are a team that often take points from the bigger teams and that was during a first half we dominated and the first goal may have meant an entirely different second half.

Where was the like for like last season? Calls they should have seen but didn't in a top 6 clash that went City's way... Your turn... hint I've already gone through most of them and explained why they pale in comparison(some even correctly called).

I'm going back to the red card Balotelli should have received for stamp on the Scotty Parker and saying on yeah evens out I see it now... what logic are you working from? That's not how to compare logically.
 
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You've offered no insight/supporting evidence yourself that things do even out like for like and you're asking me to go back 5 years to do so? What are you talking about?

Also no... lets do season by season as circumstances change, not every season plays out the same and we know this, another error in your assessment there.

I already addressed all your "counter" points before you posted, there are glaring differences you've failed to acknowledge. The biggest one being a Watford is not the same as a Spurs or Chelsea lets not pretend that's the case so we can set our minds at rest(maybe you are happy that way but don't simply imply people are idiots for thinking otherwise... some of us have put some thought into it and not gone tinhat overboard). Is it really better to fool ourselves that we are sure it's impossible that refs(if not bent which is the extreme) could be possibly influenced by anti city agendas at times?

Do I need to remind you of all the wrong calls that were not defensible that went against us last season?

Like Walker being on the wrong side of Raheem who was through on goal electing to shove him in the back as he's lining up a shot? If not the ref then the linesman had to have seen that coming before he even did it and been ready for it.

Like Luiz body checking Aguero off balance who took a tumble as he was about to get in behind the defence with the ball? Common sense should have told the ref Aguero had no reason to go down, all that was left was a sprint with the ball into the penalty area and a goalscoring opportunity.

The Arsenal one is perhaps defensible(less so than the examples I gave in the post that went our way still) if you buy his excuse which I don't(handball Monreal, unnatural hand movement towards the ball with the arm). There was also a stonewall pen against Everton not given, despite them not being top 6 they are a team that often take points from the bigger teams and that was during a first half we dominated and the first goal may have meant an entirely different second half.

Where was the like for like last season? Calls they should have seen but didn't in a top 4 clash that went City's way... Your turn... hint I've already gone through most of them and explained why they pale in comparison(some even correctly called).

I'm going back to the red card Balotelli should have received for stamp on the Scotty Parker and saying on yeah evens out I see it now... what logic are you working from? That's not how to compare logically.
I'm going to say this once more and then quit posting - because, honestly, you and others just don't get it.

If you make a big claim, you need to back it up - with scientific evidence.

Otherwise, we have claims that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy, that inoculations cause autism, that the attendance at Trump's swearing in ceremony was the biggest in history, etc.

Emotional feelings go a long way - further still if there's no scientific backing.

Hell, I'm open to the suggestion of cheating - just prove it and I'll back you 100%.

But, if you want me to believe that the refs are biased, that the FA condones this, that Man City is aware of this and is striving to convince the governing bodies that this is so - that Man City is so incompetent/lacking in resources that they are unable to scientifically prove the cheating/bias claims that you believe are so obvious - that Man City management must then also be part of this conspiracy... well, you're basically crazy.
 
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So, I guess that's a "yes" - we should just take your word for whatever you believe - no proof necessary?

Oh, and I get it - you're probably mathmatically incapable of responding in any meaningful way.

But I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you are capable of such a response but "don't have the time."
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Hmm...

Let's think for a bit....

Manchester City - with billions at its disposal - hasn't made the claims that you have.

Assuming that cheating against City was so obvious... don't you think that they'd hire a competent statistical team able to easily prove the systematic cheating against City to then force action to rectify this wrong?

Or maybe the conspiracy theory continues further - that the FA is corrupt that English Parliament is corrupt and wouldn't take action given proof of FA corruption and that corporate football sponsors would also turn a blind eye and continue to support an proven corrupt regime - in other words, that the majority of stake holders in current power structure support the corrupt regime and that we have no recourse but to accept this as City management have.
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Please think things through - emotional, knee-jerk responses do nothing but stir up trouble.
 
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I'm going to say this once more and then quit posting - because, honestly, you and others just don't get it.

If you make a big claim, you need to back it up - with scientific evidence.

Otherwise, we have claims that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy, that inoculations cause autism, that the attendance at Trump's swearing in ceremony was the biggest in history, etc.

Emotional feelings go a long way - further still if there's no scientific backing.

Hell, I'm open to the suggestion of cheating - just prove it and I'll back you 100%.

But, if you want me to believe that the refs are biased, that the FA condones this, that Man City is aware of this and is striving to convince the governing bodies that this is so - that Man City is so incompetent/lacking in resources that they are unable to scientifically prove the cheating/bias claims that you believe are so obvious - that Man City management must then also be part of this conspiracy... well, you're basically crazy.
Mate I'm going to say it again... YOU are the one who has failed to back anything up... I challenged you in the closing of my last post and you sidestepped it... I will have to assume you could not give me any examples from last season, like for like.

I did give plenty of examples which makes you quite the hypocrite considering your stance in that post. I've also said it may not be that they are bent, it may just be they are just influenced by the media that surrounds the game at times(when they are on our backs), even though they say they aren't, they read and listen to the media like anyone else surely. This would be hard to prove or disprove for or against(if you were being fair about it you'd see this) but one of us is acting like they know outright(you) and one of us is saying hey maybe some of these things do seem like too much of a co-incidence for my liking.
 
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Don't we have other places for this shit outside the Chelsea thread?

That said, looking forward to the game against them. Hopefully we can do what we couldn't last year and actually put away our chances and smash them.
 

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