Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

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M18CTID said:
I disagree. I think he is a good manager - and there's no better endorsement of that than our own manager - but it seems he's better when managing clubs who don't spend a great deal of money. Look what he did at Espanyol, Saints, and Spurs. For those who claim he was no great shakes at Tottenham, have a look at where they were when he took over and where he took them in subsequent seasons. But as soon as there was a bit of a drop-off in form, that dickhead Levy sacked him.

However, his spell at PSG was nothing spectacular and he's struggling at Chelsea too. Whether that's down to the dynamics at Chelsea or his own ability may well be open to debate but I'd say it's more the former than the latter.
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He’s won one league title in his career, that was at PSG which is no great achievement. Hes had a lot of money to spend, it’s about opinions but managing smaller teams to some kind of success has been done by many poor managers, Paul Ince and Bryan Robson being two examples.
 
M18CTID said:
I disagree. I think he is a good manager - and there's no better endorsement of that than our own manager - but it seems he's better when managing clubs who don't spend a great deal of money. Look what he did at Espanyol, Saints, and Spurs. For those who claim he was no great shakes at Tottenham, have a look at where they were when he took over and where he took them in subsequent seasons. But as soon as there was a bit of a drop-off in form, that dickhead Levy sacked him.

However, his spell at PSG was nothing spectacular and he's struggling at Chelsea too. Whether that's down to the dynamics at Chelsea or his own ability may well be open to debate but I'd say it's more the former than the latter.
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I think any manager would struggle at Chelsea right now - they're an absolute basket-case of a club: have been since that American chap took over.
 
hammocity said:
He’s won one league title in his career, that was at PSG which is no great achievement. Hes had a lot of money to spend, it’s about opinions but managing smaller teams to some kind of success has been done by many poor managers, Paul Ince and Bryan Robson being two examples.
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And how many league titles has Bielsa won? Yet Pep calls him the best manager in the world. Zidane's won plenty of league titles and CLs at Real Madrid but I don't think anyone puts him in the top echelon of managers. It's not always about what you win, although Pep has won shit loads and revolutionised football into the bargain.
 
It's to many young and who haven't played in the league or for that long is why they'll be a midtable team for a few more years.
 
M18CTID said:
And how many league titles has Bielsa won? Yet Pep calls him the best manager in the world. Zidane's won plenty of league titles and CLs at Real Madrid but I don't think anyone puts him in the top echelon of managers. It's not always about what you win, although Pep has won shit loads and revolutionised football into the bargain.
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Well have to agree to disagree, I think Poch is a fraud and with the money spent he’s showing himself to be very incompetent, nice guy, shit coach.
 
Poch must be under serious pressure. Boehly hasn't spent what he's done to be a mid table team. Yes; they've got a cup final to look forward to. But on current form, the cultists will maul them.
 
Gorbachev said:
Graham Potter - P:31, W:12, D8, L11
Mauricio Pochettino - P:31, W:14, D6, L11

Can't be long now until Mourinho's name is sung at the games now.
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They were singing it yesterday, some banners up too apparently.

I've got to say, it would be funny if Mourinho come back and the first thing he does is win the Carabao Cup and spoil the Klopp love-in even more.

I'm not really sure if the majority of Chelsea fans would want him back, it could just be a few voices. I've never thought he would be back there but if large sections of the fans wanted it, you could see their owner trying to get him to get on the good side of the fans.

Even then, would he go back? Maybe, but his first two stints there were successful, no matter how they ended. He won the league both times he was there but they are so far away from that now and he must know that. He's clearly a legend there, so why go back when they're not half as good as they used to be?

Unless he fancies a ridiculous challenge, I see no reason why he would want to go there for the third time. Its not like he needs money and he could no doubt earn serious dough in Saudi if he that's his motivation.

But who knows, it's not like it would surprise anyone if it happened.

If he does go back, I think the wise move would be a short term deal until the end of the season. Try to win them the milk cup and get a tune out of the players in the league between now and the end of the season and then take it from there.
 
Mourinho actually wouldn't be a bad choice in the short term. He would at least make them harder to play against and get them up the table. It might not be pretty, but he does get results. The problem is you all know how the story ends.
 
Vialli98 said:
I see loads of praise for Foden. He is widely considered exactly the way you described him. Stones as well, not long ago was getting loads of credit and considered one of the top CBs in the league. He’s been injured a while though, no? Diaz is also widely considered one the best CBs in the league. Rodri gets praised every week nearly and is rightly considered the best DM in the world. And that’s before we get to Haaland who is universally considered one of the best players in the world who will probably go down as an all time great in the game
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But even the praise for Foden isn’t at the same nauseating level it is for Rashford of, dare I say it, Mainoo, even though it’s far less deserved than that, which Phil receives.

And see the complexity OTT swooning over Højlunf, when he finally, after more than 1000 minutes, scored a goal in the League.
 
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M18CTID said:
I disagree. I think he is a good manager - and there's no better endorsement of that than our own manager - but it seems he's better when managing clubs who don't spend a great deal of money. Look what he did at Espanyol, Saints, and Spurs. For those who claim he was no great shakes at Tottenham, have a look at where they were when he took over and where he took them in subsequent seasons. But as soon as there was a bit of a drop-off in form, that dickhead Levy sacked him.

However, his spell at PSG was nothing spectacular and he's struggling at Chelsea too. Whether that's down to the dynamics at Chelsea or his own ability may well be open to debate but I'd say it's more the former than the latter.
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He didn’t help his own cause at Tottenham, when he said he’d leave, if they won the CL.

That was one of the stupidest statements a manager/head coach has ever made.
 
Vienna_70 said:
But even the praise for Foden isn’t at the same nauseating level it is for Rashford of, dare I say it, Marino, even though it’s far less deserved than that, which Phil receives.

And see the complexity OTT swooning over Højlunf, when he finally, after more than 1000 minutes, scored a goal in the League.
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The reason we dont get the praise we deserve is because of what i call silva syndrome, david silva was so good that on his worst day he was better than 99% of people on their best day and therefore his brilliance became normalised, expected and when something is normal it stops being praised, this is where city find themselves at the mo, the press expect ederson to make 60 yard pinpoint passes, they expect stones to slot into midfield like a world class midfielder, they expect rodri to martial a midfield by himself, they expect kdb to find passes that no one else can, they expect foden to glide like silk past 2 or 3 players and they expect haaland to smash past defences, they have forgotten how exceptional it is and they will only remember when it stops happening and then it will be 2 late just like with david silva.
 
mancboy said:
The reason we dont get the praise we deserve is because of what i call silva syndrome, david silva was so good that on his worst day he was better than 99% of people on their best day and therefore his brilliance became normalised, expected and when something is normal it stops being praised, this is where city find themselves at the mo, the press expect ederson to make 60 yard pinpoint passes, they expect stones to slot into midfield like a world class midfielder, they expect rodri to martial a midfield by himself, they expect kdb to find passes that no one else can, they expect foden to glide like silk past 2 or 3 players and they expect haaland to smash past defences, they have forgotten how exceptional it is and they will only remember when it stops happening and then it will be 2 late just like with david silva.
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Your first few lines reminded me of Graeme Souness' comment about Merlin:

"I’d rather have David Silva at 75% than most players at 100%."
 
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