Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

[Norbert D]

Obviously you guys are all comparing this issue to your own ongoing one.

One big difference between us is that our new owners noticed incomplete financial information in historic accounts and reported it immediately to UEFA.

City's stance is, as I understand it, that they've done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Maybe admittance or denial of guilt has a bearing on how a club is treated, just as it does in the English legal system where admittance of guilt generally encourages a more lenient sentence?

Or maybe your guys have gone for the scousers double bluff, it was all the fault of the previous owners go easy on us for anything else you may find, guess we will see if your spending since the yank/Saudi’s came in is looked at. btw most City fans don’t have an axe to grind with Chelsea, you saved us from endless years of rag domination.

 

[waspish]

Obviously you guys are all comparing this issue to your own ongoing one.

One big difference between us is that our new owners noticed incomplete financial information in historic accounts and reported it immediately to UEFA.

City's stance is, as I understand it, that they've done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Maybe admittance or denial of guilt has a bearing on how a club is treated, just as it does in the English legal system where admittance of guilt generally encourages a more lenient sentence?

Its all banter between opposing fans this ffp but since ffp through the leagues there have been more clubs in big trouble, points deducting fines that make these clubs have more problems and more likely to go bust! Ffp is an utter disgrace brought in by jealous insecure clubs..

 

[ASHCFC]

Or maybe your guys have gone for the scousers double bluff, it was all the fault of the previous owners go easy on us for anything else you may find, guess we will see if your spending since the yank/Saudi’s came in is looked at. btw most City fans don’t have an axe to grind with Chelsea, you saved us from endless years of rag domination.

Always standing together with City vs all red infidel [emoji109]

I don't think we're bluffing. The matter is fully resolved in UEFA's eyes now.

In a statement, Uefa said: "Following the club’s sale in May 2022, the new ownership identified, and proactively reported to Uefa, instances of potentially incomplete financial reporting under the club’s previous
ownership.

The reported matters related to transactions which took
place between 2012 and 2019.

While the precise nature of the infractions is not clear, it is
understood that a number of relatively minor historical elements emerged
during the sale process.

While there is believed to have been no deliberate attempts to circumvent the rules, the breaches were discovered."

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Obviously you guys are all comparing this issue to your own ongoing one.

One big difference between us is that our new owners noticed incomplete financial information in historic accounts and reported it immediately to UEFA.

City's stance is, as I understand it, that they've done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Maybe admittance or denial of guilt has a bearing on how a club is treated, just as it does in the English legal system where admittance of guilt generally encourages a more lenient sentence?

Or perhaps those in control of the PL are totally and unduly influenced by certain clubs, remebering that Masters was interviewed by the rags and dippers bosses, who have seen their successes affected, and don't like it, and therefore are desperately trying to smear City's reputation and slow down or even block their success ?

Something you might understand considering your previous owner and his running of the club, and the jeaslousy which ensued from the " entitled redshirt cunts ".

Just a thought .

 

[ASHCFC]

Or perhaps those in control of the PL are totally and unduly influenced by certain clubs, remebering that Masters was interviewed by the rags and dippers bosses, who have seen their successes affected, and don't like it, and therefore are desperately trying to smear City's reputation and slow down or even block their success ?

Something you might understand considering your previous owner and his running of the club, and the jeaslousy which ensued from the " entitled redshirt cunts ".

Just a thought .

Who knows. Conspiracy is a popular theme on these boards. Maybe you're right.

For me I prefer to at least start with the less dramatic explanation, and work from there.

 

[wolviedinho]

Cheating again I see. Not sure we want to be grouped in with this lot.

The league is corrupt to the core and Chelsea seem to be front and centre but manage to dodge criticism and blame the Russia gangster. No different from the red tops.

If it’s not dodgy loans it is not declaring accurate accounts. Scourge on our game.

 

[pudge]

I see it's being reported as much as United's failing of FFP

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Who knows. Conspiracy is a popular theme on these boards. Maybe you're right.

For me I prefer to at least start with the less dramatic explanation, and work from there.

That's fair enough, but then again you aren't facing 115 charges from an organisation that benefits greatly by the success of the accused.

 

[ASHCFC]

That's fair enough, but then again you aren't facing 115 charges from an organisation that benefits greatly by the success of the accused.

Noted!

 

[ASHCFC]

That's fair enough, but then again you aren't facing 115 charges from an organisation that benefits greatly by the success of the accused.

It's interesting to me to consider that by hammering City the Prem are apparently hurting themselves.

However, when you also consider the arrogance and hubris of organisations like the Prem, I suspect that City's worth, so obvious to the ordinary man, is invisible to them. I believe they think they made you, and they can make another king!!

The reality is that City are a superbly run club with a singular vision for success from top to bottom. Who gives a shit if they did or didn't misreport a few mil of sponsorship? I don't.

It's all about power, and who holds it over who.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Cheating again I see. Not sure we want to be grouped in with this lot.

The league is corrupt to the core and Chelsea seem to be front and centre but manage to dodge criticism and blame the Russia gangster. No different from the red tops.

If it’s not dodgy loans it is not declaring accurate accounts. Scourge on our game.

Didn't Abramovich not require loans being repaid when he left? How would that be different to just dumping in a shedload of 'equity' or the loose change down the Good Sheik's sofa? I think the way clubs are dealt with over FFP is very similar to the way Haiti were treated by the ref and VAR this afternoon.

 

[ASHCFC]

Didn't Abramovich not require loans being repaid when he left? How would that be different to just dumping in a shedload of 'equity' or the loose change down the Good Sheik's sofa? I think the way clubs are dealt with over FFP is very similar to the way Haiti were treated by the ref and VAR this afternoon.

I suspect there's quite a bit of difference from a legal perspective.

I agree with you regarding FFP. It's a flawed system - and that's being kind.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Didn't Abramovich not require loans being repaid when he left? How would that be different to just dumping in a shedload of 'equity' or the loose change down the Good Sheik's sofa? I think the way clubs are dealt with over FFP is very similar to the way Haiti were treated by the ref and VAR this afternoon.

I thought Abramovich wrote the loans off.

 

[wolviedinho]

Didn't Abramovich not require loans being repaid when he left? How would that be different to just dumping in a shedload of 'equity' or the loose change down the Good Sheik's sofa? I think the way clubs are dealt with over FFP is very similar to the way Haiti were treated by the ref and VAR this afternoon.

All clubs are equal some are more equal than others?

Spurs, United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are all treated equally. City on the other hand?

The hypocrisy is rife.

 

[No One Understands]

Didn't Abramovich not require loans being repaid when he left? How would that be different to just dumping in a shedload of 'equity' or the loose change down the Good Sheik's sofa? I think the way clubs are dealt with over FFP is very similar to the way Haiti were treated by the ref and VAR this afternoon.

That's just it. Abramovich was a cunning mastermind at manipulating the rules. 1.5 billion worth of loans with zero interest and which never had to be repaid. That is the definition of a related party sponsorship at unprecedented amounts. The gall with which he pushed for and requested the financial fair play rules with the red tops (which were ultimately directed at us primarily) was tantamount to hypocrisy of the highest degree, considering the skeletons in their closet with those incomplete accounts and other infractions. 67 million for Oscar to China in 2016. I dunno how they always received ridiculous $$ for unwanted players. Considering all that money "loaned", it seems that they were never a well run or sustainable club. All their dealings were dodgy as ****.

 

[freshie]

Obviously you guys are all comparing this issue to your own ongoing one.

One big difference between us is that our new owners noticed incomplete financial information in historic accounts and reported it immediately to UEFA.

City's stance is, as I understand it, that they've done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Maybe admittance or denial of guilt has a bearing on how a club is treated, just as it does in the English legal system where admittance of guilt generally encourages a more lenient sentence?

But should there be an asterisk next to your most recent CL title?

 

[Gordyola]

Obviously you guys are all comparing this issue to your own ongoing one.

One big difference between us is that our new owners noticed incomplete financial information in historic accounts and reported it immediately to UEFA.

City's stance is, as I understand it, that they've done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Maybe admittance or denial of guilt has a bearing on how a club is treated, just as it does in the English legal system where admittance of guilt generally encourages a more lenient sentence?

The tone of your post is that City are guilty CAS said otherwise, the club say otherwise you lot and the rags have admitted guilt That is one big difference, Chelsea are guilty of cheating

 

[Cambo]

Obviously you guys are all comparing this issue to your own ongoing one.

One big difference between us is that our new owners noticed incomplete financial information in historic accounts and reported it immediately to UEFA.

City's stance is, as I understand it, that they've done nothing wrong whatsoever.

Maybe admittance or denial of guilt has a bearing on how a club is treated, just as it does in the English legal system where admittance of guilt generally encourages a more lenient sentence?

City have denied guilt because their position is they have not done anything contrary to the rules. Had to go all the way to CAS to get this sorted. So from the UEFA FFP standpoint we have successfully argued what our position has been all along. That we did not breast the FFP refs. We now have the PL charges to respond to and we will.

Meanwhile, Chelsea have been breaking the UEFA FFR rules since 2012 without a peep from the authorities or a frenzied media and have self disclosed, been given a paltry fine (ours was bigger for non cooperation with the bent twats) and it’s all been quietly brushed under the carpet without a frenzied media when they are sanctioned.

Just objectively compare and contrast the treatment of the two clubs. Nothing further need be said.

 

[ASHCFC]

The tone of your post is that City are guilty CAS said otherwise, the club say otherwise you lot and the rags have admitted guilt That is one big difference, Chelsea are guilty of cheating

I don't presume City to be guilty or innocent. I don't know enough about it.

 

[ASHCFC]

City have denied guilt because their position is they have not done anything contrary to the rules. Had to go all the way to CAS to get this sorted. So from the UEFA FFP standpoint we have successfully argued what our position has been all along. That we did not breast the FFP refs. We now have the PL charges to respond to and we will.

Meanwhile, Chelsea have been breaking the UEFA FFR rules since 2012 without a peep from the authorities or a frenzied media and have self disclosed, been given a paltry fine (ours was bigger for non cooperation with the bent twats) and it’s all been quietly brushed under the carpet without a frenzied media when they are sanctioned.

Just objectively compare and contrast the treatment of the two clubs. Nothing further need be said.

That's a hugely simplistic and inaccurate summary.

We've agreed to a fine despite UEFA stating that any potential breaches are unclear and minor in nature (see post #443 in this thread).

Apparently they viewed your alleged contraventions as being more serious, as do the Prem.