China - Impressions.

Averaged out per person, each US citizen emits twice as much CO2 as each Chinese (and almost ten times an Indian).
But the average Chinese person still emits 50% more CO2 than the average Brit (and lots of other European countries), despite being a middle-income country. Let's not act like because the USA (and Canada and Australia) are a disaster when it comes to CO2 that China are somehow saints.
 
But the average Chinese person still emits 50% more CO2 than the average Brit (and lots of other European countries), despite being a middle-income country. Let's not act like because the USA (and Canada and Australia) are a disaster when it comes to CO2 that China are somehow saints.
I just drove 450 miles round trip to watch a bit of music, in my defense I did take the little Honda
But the average Chinese person still emits 50% more CO2 than the average Brit (and lots of other European countries), despite being a middle-income country. Let's not act like because the USA (and Canada and Australia) are a disaster when it comes to CO2 that China are somehow saints.
 
I just drove 450 miles round trip to watch a bit of music, in my defense I did take the little Honda
To be fair, America is a disaster because of the infrastructure and planning, not because people are pricks. Canada too. I went to visit my sister in Canada and I was shocked by how little you can do without a car. A lot of American cities have some weird zoning laws meaning that houses have to be placed away from shops, forcing people to use cars. In most of the world, shops and houses are right next to each other. In America, there's often a minimum requirement for parking for new developments. In Europe, there's usually a maximum allowed. America also ripped out a lot of its public transport in the 50s and 60s to make way for car infrastructure. They used to be a world leader in things like trams. Now there's barely any city outside of New York with world class public transport. Compare that to China and they're miles ahead.
 
To be fair, America is a disaster because of the infrastructure and planning, not because people are pricks. Canada too. I went to visit my sister in Canada and I was shocked by how little you can do without a car. A lot of American cities have some weird zoning laws meaning that houses have to be placed away from shops, forcing people to use cars. In most of the world, shops and houses are right next to each other. In America, there's often a minimum requirement for parking for new developments. In Europe, there's usually a maximum allowed. America also ripped out a lot of its public transport in the 50s and 60s to make way for car infrastructure. They used to be a world leader in things like trams. Now there's barely any city outside of New York with world class public transport. Compare that to China and they're miles ahead.
We now have two Traffic lights in the County, I’ll have you know!
 
To be fair, America is a disaster because of the infrastructure and planning, not because people are pricks. Canada too. I went to visit my sister in Canada and I was shocked by how little you can do without a car. A lot of American cities have some weird zoning laws meaning that houses have to be placed away from shops, forcing people to use cars. In most of the world, shops and houses are right next to each other. In America, there's often a minimum requirement for parking for new developments. In Europe, there's usually a maximum allowed. America also ripped out a lot of its public transport in the 50s and 60s to make way for car infrastructure. They used to be a world leader in things like trams. Now there's barely any city outside of New York with world class public transport. Compare that to China and they're miles ahead.
Also petrol is very cheap
 
But the average Chinese person still emits 50% more CO2 than the average Brit (and lots of other European countries), despite being a middle-income country. Let's not act like because the USA (and Canada and Australia) are a disaster when it comes to CO2 that China are somehow saints.
They don't though, that's the per capita emissions of the entire country. Manufacturing, mining, construction, logistics etc

Our emissions as a whole country, averaged out per person is lower because we've outsourced our manufacturing to....China, amongst others.

They're obviously not saints, I don't think anyone would claim that. I just don't think we can really judge them given the reluctance to accept any real reduction in convenience and standard of living here.
 

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