China - Impressions.

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I just drove 450 miles round trip to watch a bit of music, in my defense I did take the little Honda

Defence.

Edit: actually, could be either.

 

[idahoblues]

Defence.

Edit: actually, could be either.

I know

 

[Deleted member 77198]

46% of the world’s electric vehicles are driven in China. Was surprised when I heard this as according to a lot of people they are solely responsible for climate change and don’t give 2 fucks.

The Rise Of Chinas Eco-Cities

Read about Chinas eco-cities part of an ambitious project by the worlds most populous country to pivot away from polluting industries and toward a greener...

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China’s net zero future - Climate Champions

Is China's blueprint for a zero carbon future ambitious enough? Yes, but only if non state actors step up to the plate - argues Hu Min, Co-Founder, Innovative Green Development Program.

climatechampions.unfccc.int

‘To improve clean energy penetration, the National Energy Administration’s (NEA) has proposed to increase provincial grids’ minimum purchase of non-fossil fuel power to 40% by 2030 from 28.2% in 2020. This is likely to help China achieve its 2030 renewable energy development goals three to five years ahead of schedule’.

Still a long way to go for China, but they’re moving faster than pretty much every country on the planet.

Iceland has something like 86% of its power coming from renewable sources (the world’s leader) yet each individual Icelander actually uses more fossil fuels than each Chinese citizen.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

To be fair, America is a disaster because of the infrastructure and planning, not because people are pricks. Canada too. I went to visit my sister in Canada and I was shocked by how little you can do without a car. A lot of American cities have some weird zoning laws meaning that houses have to be placed away from shops, forcing people to use cars. In most of the world, shops and houses are right next to each other. In America, there's often a minimum requirement for parking for new developments. In Europe, there's usually a maximum allowed. America also ripped out a lot of its public transport in the 50s and 60s to make way for car infrastructure. They used to be a world leader in things like trams. Now there's barely any city outside of New York with world class public transport. Compare that to China and they're miles ahead.

I've just come back from a 3 week work trip in the US (FL and Wast Coast) and genuinely, in many cases it is easier to drive 1/2 a block to a shop that I can see over a 6 lane highway that takes 10 minutes to cross on foot.

Also, drive around any mall car park ring road (yes, that's a thing), and there are random stop signs at various points which are not conducive to low emissions (stop/start motoring increases emissions). Stop signs in general are massively overused. Yield signs (give way) would be much better in many cases, but they just seem to have a weird fascination with stop signs. The only half decent thing they have is 'turn right on red'.

ALL modern infrastructure is built around the automobile.

 

[Blue Mist]

Back on topic please.
China- impressions.
Well my Grandma's was very posh. It only came out on special occasions and I know we weren't allowed anywhere near it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The Rise Of Chinas Eco-Cities

Read about Chinas eco-cities part of an ambitious project by the worlds most populous country to pivot away from polluting industries and toward a greener...

theculturetrip.com

China’s net zero future - Climate Champions

Is China's blueprint for a zero carbon future ambitious enough? Yes, but only if non state actors step up to the plate - argues Hu Min, Co-Founder, Innovative Green Development Program.

climatechampions.unfccc.int

‘To improve clean energy penetration, the National Energy Administration’s (NEA) has proposed to increase provincial grids’ minimum purchase of non-fossil fuel power to 40% by 2030 from 28.2% in 2020. This is likely to help China achieve its 2030 renewable energy development goals three to five years ahead of schedule’.

Still a long way to go for China, but they’re moving faster than pretty much every country on the planet.

Iceland has something like 86% of its power coming from renewable sources (the world’s leader) yet each individual Icelander actually uses more fossil fuels than each Chinese citizen.

Also, Iceland has the renewables at its fingertips more than pretty much any nation on earth.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

They don't though, that's the per capita emissions of the entire country. Manufacturing, mining, construction, logistics etc

Our emissions as a whole country, averaged out per person is lower because we've outsourced our manufacturing to....China, amongst others.

They're obviously not saints, I don't think anyone would claim that. I just don't think we can really judge them given the reluctance to accept any real reduction in convenience and standard of living here.

Yeah, obviously China's emissions are boosted by manufacturing, but it's a myth that their huge emissions increases are fuelled by making stuff for the West. I only have figures from 2009, but it was estimated that 15% of their emissions were linked to manufacturing for Western countries. And similarly, if we're getting the blame for that, then presumably China is getting the blame for mining operations in plenty of other countries. If anything, the interconnectivity of global supply chains shows why it's ridiculous to try and do this tit-for-tat blaming of individual countries. But the fact is that the vast majority of China's emissions are caused by domestic needs. If you suddenly give 800 million people aircon (fuelled by coal power plants) and 300 million people a car, you're going to see an uptick in carbon emissions.

 

[inbetween]

But the average Chinese person still emits 50% more CO2 than the average Brit (and lots of other European countries), despite being a middle-income country. Let's not act like because the USA (and Canada and Australia) are a disaster when it comes to CO2 that China are somehow saints.

In terms of climate change the only figure that matters is total emissions and not per capita emissions which implies that people's behaviour is responsible which is completely untrue.

With per capita emissions, China's population numbers disguise the fact that they're MASSIVE Co2 emitters. The US is perhaps a worse emitter as a function of population but not in total because the US has a far smaller population.

To put this into context, China is responsible for 30% of global Co2 emissions and that's more than the entirety of Western Europe AND the US put together.

This just proves the total irrelevance of the causes argued by XR or Just Stop Oil because it will not make any difference. It cannot be done without China but they have a job on their hands because of the shear size of their population.

 

[Grassland Blue]

In terms of climate change the only figure that matters is total emissions and not per capita emissions which implies that people's behaviour is responsible which is completely untrue.

With per capita emissions, China's population numbers disguise the fact that they're MASSIVE Co2 emitters. The US is perhaps a worse emitter as a function of population but not in total because the US has a far smaller population.

To put this into context, China is responsible for 30% of global Co2 emissions and that's more than the entirety of Western Europe AND the US put together.

This just proves the total irrelevance of the causes argued by XR or Just Stop Oil because it will not make any difference. It cannot be done without China but they have a job on their hands because of the shear size of their population.

I had a brief look at a new H.E.P. dam a few days ago.
I don't know the environmental impact of building this structure, or the length of time it will take to make a positive impact on emissions.
There are fields covered with solar panels.
Brand new housing estates with energy efficient homes.
The 'Great Green Wall' of trees attempting to stop the increasing desertification in the north. The sands of which are blown south, threatening Beijing about 300 miles away.
China is having a go at solving some of its' issues, let's hope it is successful.

 

[supercity88]

I was there in 2015. Flew from Hong Kong to Shanghai and then a train to Beijing. Even in beautiful modern train stations and airports they find a way to shit on the floor. They'll get there eventually and I had an amazing time, just didn't appreciate getting spat on.