City and Religion

a minority chanted celtic/ rangers on the kippax back in the day but then we sang all sorts of shit that would not be acceptable today lol
.... and it was mostly when we were playing the likes of Norwich etc when there wasn't any away fans to "banter" with. So the Celtic/Rangers thing gave everyone a bit of an excuse to banter amongst ourselves.
 
ancient history and only the usual suspects like those north of the border are interested in perpetuating sectarian bollox

a minority chanted celtic/ rangers on the kippax back in the day but then we sang all sorts of shit that would not be acceptable today lol
Quite honestly, I'm not sure how City fans chanting for Rangers could be perceived as unacceptable even in these, ahem, enlightened times.
 
Went to a Derby once on the Kippax with a mate who had never been to a derby before. She said “Is there any religious bias in these matches?” I confidently said “no” When the two teams ran out the United end had all these Irish tricolour flags and the Kippax had loads of flags with the hand of Ulster on. I was gobsmacked as she laughed at me.

Never happened before or since.
 
I come from an Irish Catholic family. Both sides going back to my grandparents are/were all blues. Both sides were based in moss side/fallowfield. I went to Catholic school.in Wythenshawe in the 70s and 80s and most of the other lads were reds. There was a small but hard-core loyal gang of city fans. Luckily it was before Fergie took over Utd so it wasn't too bad. We were still shit for most of it apart from the 81 cup final, which my dad took me to.
 
Having once written an article on this i can tell you there are few real links but some extremely tentative ones. The most obvious one is the fact that city were started by a Protestant church, Gorton st marks. But I think more of it come from united's popularity with the Irish, and their immigrants. Bizarrely I believe Ireland's love affair with united has many of its roots with George best who was a hero to caholics even though he was Protestant. Many of Manchester and the north west's big catholic population( of which I'm one) have Irish roots and therefore a loose connection has been made between united and Catholicism. United fostered some cod-relationship with celtic in the 70s and 80s too.City's Protestant links are tentative and a reaction to that really. I suspect there are some historical geographical facts from before the slum clearances which could have had influence too. I know Salford has a big Irish population. A lot of the Jewish population have always followed city too for some reason. The main stand in the 70s was half full of Jewish blokes in sheepskins smoking cigars.
Jewish connection I believe came from when they started to drift out from Chorlton on Medlock to Moss Side and thence to Didsbury etc. There were still plenty of Jews in Moss Side in the 50s; my optician in Raby St. was Jewish.
Irish connection I believe stemmed from a large immigrant worker population at Trafford Park going to the swamp at the end of Saturday shift (2pm).
In the 50s/60s, the rags made a big effort to recruit Irish players and the first full time Irish pro played for them. Forgotten his name.
 
Catholic.

My dad went to Gorton Monastery so played for Gorton Celtic who I think had connections to united so he played for their youth team in the early 50s.This despite him being a Blue.

My kids were christened as protestants as the wife is one and I didnt disagree as in the 90s I wanted them as far away from united as possible.
 
It's important to remember how much the world has changed. Sectarianism has not been a thing in Manchester for a very long time, but it used to exist. My mother used to talk about the hostility between Protestants and Catholics when she was young.

But this is pretty much outside living memory. The first office I ever worked in (1971) included a lad from Langley who was both a City fan and a Catholic.
Gorton Monastery was delayed in being built due in the late 19th century as they feared local hostility to the Irish Catholics.
 
Went to a Derby once on the Kippax with a mate who had never been to a derby before. She said “Is there any religious bias in these matches?” I confidently said “no” When the two teams ran out the United end had all these Irish tricolour flags and the Kippax had loads of flags with the hand of Ulster on. I was gobsmacked as she laughed at me.

Never happened before or since.
Did that really happen? .... fk me.. I've been to a fair few derbys as a city catholic ..thankfully didn't see or remember that
 

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