City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

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Manchester City Football Club is considering challenging a record-breaking €60 million fine for breaching UEFA’s Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules by using EU competition law to prevent cartels and abuse of market dominance.

Despite Competition Commissioner Joaquín Almunia’s declared support for FFP, the European Commission’s antitrust department will examine any complaint made on its merits, EurActiv has learnt.

UEFA is European football’s governing body and runs the lucrative Champions League competition. Under FFP, clubs in UEFA competitions were allowed to make losses of about €45 million between 2011-13. City lost about €182 but argue that, when various exceptions are taken into account they narrowly hit the target.

Abu Dhabi-owned City was one of nine football clubs including Qatari-owned Paris St Germain to be charged with breaching the regulations. As well as a fine, City face having their Champions League squad cut from 25 players to 21.

Any complaint by City, set a deadline by UEFA of today (9 May) to accept a reduced fine or face stronger penalties, is likely be under EU treaty rules governing abuse of dominant market position and price-fixing, rather than state aid rules.

Article 101 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the EU states that a unilateral action can be anti-competitive. This rule covers decisions by associations, which would arguably include UEFA’s decision to fine City. By fining City, UEFA are giving a competitive advantage to other businesses (other football clubs), lawyers could argue.

Article 102 deals with abuse of dominant market position. City would have to establish what market, likely European football, is being dominated. Because the Champions League is so lucrative for participating clubs, there is a risk those clubs become entrenched as their financial advantage is so strong. It is only through large injections of cash that clubs like City and PSG can break the stranglehold of the established elite.

City could claim that the fine and squad cut constitutes a barrier to entry of the market but the European football market is so large it may be difficult to prove it is dominated by an elite.

Another ground for complaint is that FFP “directly or indirectly imposes unfair purchase,” that it illegally prevents City from trading as it wishes.

The concept of consumer prejudice also comes under article 102. City could argue that impairing its performance in the Champions League restrict competition with other clubs. That could lead to the established elite raising ticket prices, for example. The commission often looks favourably on consumer arguments, legal experts said.

The complaint is likely to include a number of differing aspects in a bid to convince the commission the case warrants further investigation.

Almunia’s support for FFP

Almunia’s support for FFP is based on the idea that good financial governance would prevent a breach of EU state aid rules. Those rules are designed to prevent competition in the marketplace being distorted by injections of public money.Seven Spanish clubs including Real Madrid and Barcelona and Almunia’s beloved Athletic Bilbao, were charged with breaches of state aid rules in December last year.

Almunia will be leaving his post in November when a new European Commission is appointed. His replacement may have a different view on FFP to the Spanish Socialist. The process kick-started by a complaint will likely continue beyond Almunia’s reign, especially if EU officials decide an investigation is warranted.

If the investigation goes City’s way they would be able to take that decision to a national court, and argue for recompense. Although UEFA is based in Nyon, Switzerland; the Swiss are governed by the same competition laws as EU member states. If UEFA appeals the commission decision, as would be expected, the case could take more than four years to resolve in the European Court of Justice.

PSG yesterday agreed to settle for a €25 million fine, rather than fight the UEFA charge any longer. City’s €42m-a-year sponsorship deal with Etihad and PSG’s €200m-a-year contract with the Qatar Tourism Authority were both deemed not to be a valid means for them to balance their books under FFP break-even rules

City, almost certain to claim their second English Premier League title in three years on Sunday, are understood to be furious at being bracketed with the French club. It’s been reported City argue their intention was always to comply with FFP, unlike PSG.

If the club doesn’t reach a deal, it will be referred to European football’s Club Financial Control Body, which would assess afresh whether the club failed to comply with FFP rules in their 2011-13 accounts and, if so, would likely impose an even sterner penalty.

If City do make a complaint, it will be the second made to the commission against FFP. Jean-Louis Dupont, the lawyer who successfully challenged football contract laws in the famous Bosman case made a complaint last year. Among his arguments is that FFP reduces revenue for football agents such as his client Belgian Daniel Striani.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

tolmie's hairdoo said:
Been thinking a little about this if we did decide to withdraw or were excluded.

Might be missing the bigger picture here.

Uefa doing the G14s bidding is because they know the only other option is a threatened breakaway, having their grubby noses removed from the trough.

Perhaps it is not the big boys we should be trying to win over in all this?

If Abu Dhabi was to bankroll an annual summer tournament which was invitational, but only to those OUTSIDE of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and Spurs, we would start to balance the scale in our favour?

Say ten Prem teams who receive a flat £5m participation fee and a sliding scale of merit payments based on how far you progress in a round-robin? With a winners prize of a further £10m on top?

The tournament would cost around £60m a year to run, which is chicken feed compared to the fines and restrictions Uefa will continue to enforce.

If these teams can collect money this way, they would also collect improved results in the Premier League, threatening United, Arsenal, Chelsea Liverpool and Spurs' ability to nail down the top four every season?

The Premier League clubs all have to vote on various issues, if 15 of them need us, more than they need THEM, the whole dynamic of the top flight changes.

At the moment, England's old guard call the shots, but this would level the playing field.

Imagine a season where Liverpool or Arsenal finish outside top four and aren't invited to our tournament.

It would not be long before Uefa would start to ask questions why the likes of Chelsea and United were not in the Champions League as regularly?

Our owners can actually arm other Premier League teams to start impacting results on and off the pitch.

In terms of interest, in terms of prestige, in terms of TV revenue, in terms of advertising revenue, in terms of top quality sporting competition, it's the likes of Barca, Madrid, Munich, Juve, etc who hold all the cards. This is where the real power lies in European football and UEFA must do their bidding or risk a breakaway European Super League. Financing a second rate side show competition isn't the answer imo.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

yeah whatever !! said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Been thinking a little about this if we did decide to withdraw or were excluded.

Might be missing the bigger picture here.

Uefa doing the G14s bidding is because they know the only other option is a threatened breakaway, having their grubby noses removed from the trough.

Perhaps it is not the big boys we should be trying to win over in all this?

If Abu Dhabi was to bankroll an annual tournament which was invitational, but only to those OUTSIDE of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and Spurs, we would start to balance the scale on our favour.

Say ten teams who receive a flat £5m participation fee and a sliding scale of merit payments based on how far you progress in a round-robin? With a winners prize of a further £10m on top?

The tournament would cost around £60m a year to run, which is chicken feed compared to the fines and restrictions Uefa will continue to enforce.

If these teams can collect money this way, they would also collect improved results in the Premier League, threatening United, Arsenal, Chelsea Liverpool and Spurs' ability to nail down the top four every season?

The Premier League clubs all have to vote on various issues, if 15 of them need us, more than they need THEM, the whole dynamic of the top flight chances.

At the moment, England's old guard call the shots, but this would level the playing field.

Imagine a season where Liverpool or Arsenal finish outside top four and aren't invited to our tournament.

It would not be long before Uefa would start to ask questions why the likes of Chelsea and United were not in the Champions League as regularly?

Our owners can actually arm other Premier League teams to start impacting results on and off the pitch.

Im sure TV companies and sponsors would also soon jump in to add to the prize money thus making this very lucrative for those who partake...


The region has a World Cup coming up in 2022.

I don't even think our owner would need to sell it to the local Abu Dhabi stations or Al Jazeera, do you?

That £50m shake down from Uefa would be the first payment we could towards make the the prize fund.

Next season we would finish top four anyhow, so our books will be enhanced, and we get to play Champs League, regardless of a court ruling either way.

City, Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton, etc etc...

Doesn't really matter, each summer, it becomes a lucrative pre-curtain raiser for the Premier League season.
 
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I would be hoping that we could invite not only other english teams but foreign as well, maybe some from Africa, South America, put a pot of 100m to the winner plus attendance money and run it when CL is on and televise it at the same time for free to air channels. Withdraw sponsorship from UEFA to pay for it. I would fuck them up something royally over this but this has already been discussed as part of what Packer did to cricket. Oh and get a bigger trophy than old big ears.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

hgblue said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Been thinking a little about this if we did decide to withdraw or were excluded.

Might be missing the bigger picture here.

Uefa doing the G14s bidding is because they know the only other option is a threatened breakaway, having their grubby noses removed from the trough.

Perhaps it is not the big boys we should be trying to win over in all this?

If Abu Dhabi was to bankroll an annual summer tournament which was invitational, but only to those OUTSIDE of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and Spurs, we would start to balance the scale in our favour?

Say ten Prem teams who receive a flat £5m participation fee and a sliding scale of merit payments based on how far you progress in a round-robin? With a winners prize of a further £10m on top?

The tournament would cost around £60m a year to run, which is chicken feed compared to the fines and restrictions Uefa will continue to enforce.

If these teams can collect money this way, they would also collect improved results in the Premier League, threatening United, Arsenal, Chelsea Liverpool and Spurs' ability to nail down the top four every season?

The Premier League clubs all have to vote on various issues, if 15 of them need us, more than they need THEM, the whole dynamic of the top flight changes.

At the moment, England's old guard call the shots, but this would level the playing field.

Imagine a season where Liverpool or Arsenal finish outside top four and aren't invited to our tournament.

It would not be long before Uefa would start to ask questions why the likes of Chelsea and United were not in the Champions League as regularly?

Our owners can actually arm other Premier League teams to start impacting results on and off the pitch.

In terms of interest, in terms of prestige, in terms of TV revenue, in terms of advertising revenue, in terms of top quality sporting competition, it's the likes of Barca, Madrid, Munich, Juve, etc who hold all the cards. This is where the real power lies in European football and UEFA must do their bidding or risk a breakaway European Super League. Financing a second rate side show competition isn't the answer imo.


You're not getting it, bud.

This is a pre-season summer tournament that ploughs cash back into our coffers, and that of some lower Prem teams.

We curry favour and a voting block, whilst still competing for a Champions League place each year.

The impact comes from other teams having the extra resources to challenge the hegemony within our present league.

It would not matter a jot how many people were prepared to watch an annual summer tournament on TV.

The money is all that matters and the impact it has on the old guard to qualify for the tournament they now want to exclude us from.

Fight fire with fire.

They have a tournament which pays well, then so do we.

Difference being, we can afford to bankroll it without a single sponsor.

And we still compete for a Champions League place each season with improved revenue.
 
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Re: City & FFP (continued)

You're not getting it, bud.

This is a pre-season summer tournament that ploughs cash back into our coffers, and that of some lower Prem teams.

We curry favour and a voting block, whilst still competing for a Champions League place each year.

The impact comes from other teams having the extra resources to challenge the hegemony within our present league.

It would not matter a joy how many people were prepared to watch an annual summer tournament on TV.

The money is all that matters.


Skulldugery at its highest. :-)
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

tolmie's hairdoo said:
yeah whatever !! said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Been thinking a little about this if we did decide to withdraw or were excluded.

Might be missing the bigger picture here.

Uefa doing the G14s bidding is because they know the only other option is a threatened breakaway, having their grubby noses removed from the trough.

Perhaps it is not the big boys we should be trying to win over in all this?

If Abu Dhabi was to bankroll an annual tournament which was invitational, but only to those OUTSIDE of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and Spurs, we would start to balance the scale on our favour.

Say ten teams who receive a flat £5m participation fee and a sliding scale of merit payments based on how far you progress in a round-robin? With a winners prize of a further £10m on top?

The tournament would cost around £60m a year to run, which is chicken feed compared to the fines and restrictions Uefa will continue to enforce.

If these teams can collect money this way, they would also collect improved results in the Premier League, threatening United, Arsenal, Chelsea Liverpool and Spurs' ability to nail down the top four every season?

The Premier League clubs all have to vote on various issues, if 15 of them need us, more than they need THEM, the whole dynamic of the top flight chances.

At the moment, England's old guard call the shots, but this would level the playing field.

Imagine a season where Liverpool or Arsenal finish outside top four and aren't invited to our tournament.

It would not be long before Uefa would start to ask questions why the likes of Chelsea and United were not in the Champions League as regularly?

Our owners can actually arm other Premier League teams to start impacting results on and off the pitch.

Im sure TV companies and sponsors would also soon jump in to add to the prize money thus making this very lucrative for those who partake...


The region has a World Cup coming up in 2022.

I don't even think our owner would need to sell it to the local Abu Dhabi stations or Al Jazeera, do you?

That £50m shake down from Uefa would be the first payment we could towards make the the prize fund.

Next season we would finish top four anyhow, so our books will be enhanced, and we get to play Champs League, regardless of a court ruling either way.

City, Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton, etc etc...

Doesn't really matter, each summer, it becomes a lucrative pre-curtain raiser for the Premier League season.

I can see UEFA questioning the prize money and discounting for FFP ;)
 
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But these teams are not in UEFA competition so their accounts don't matter and if they did happen to qualify as I understand it they are given a year off anyway. There is nothing for them to discount it is underhand, sneaky and very likeable IMO.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

cookster said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
yeah whatever !! said:
Im sure TV companies and sponsors would also soon jump in to add to the prize money thus making this very lucrative for those who partake...


The region has a World Cup coming up in 2022.

I don't even think our owner would need to sell it to the local Abu Dhabi stations or Al Jazeera, do you?

That £50m shake down from Uefa would be the first payment we could towards make the the prize fund.

Next season we would finish top four anyhow, so our books will be enhanced, and we get to play Champs League, regardless of a court ruling either way.

City, Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton, etc etc...

Doesn't really matter, each summer, it becomes a lucrative pre-curtain raiser for the Premier League season.

I can see UEFA questioning the prize money and discounting for FFP ;)


Not possible, as all the teams competing would be receiving the same money, apart from the winners' cheque!

What's the difference between United going on a tour next year and earning £20m because they are not in Europe?

That's exactly what they will be doing.

Call it the U.A.E invitational cup.
 

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