City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

When you look past the headline scare mongering and realise the punishment is a £16,000,000 fine and a €60,000,000 limit on transfers for this summer only, the rags and Arsenal should rightly shit their pants!

This time next summer we will have no more sanctions.

One marquee centre back and we will be ready to dominate the league again.

Arsene must be crying in to his baguette! "Monsieur Platini! Please! Don't let them take my Sagna away!" "HONHONHON Sorry Mr Arsene, I've pocketed my £16,000,000 so get le fucked!"

This was his one great hope of stopping us.

I love how we have systematically stated how each sanction won't harm us and called UEFA goal post moving liars.
 
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Blue Haze said:
tonea2003 said:
I am interested in how the 21 man cl squad breaks down?

Certainly has not been clarified from what I can see

Anyone?

Same here. If we've been limited to 21 A list players, what's stopping us from not using our 4 of our 8 homegrown slots? I don't see anything that specifies we've lost foreign slots, just that we can only register 21 A list players.

This seems the more of a punishment to me until clarified

If we could use what we did last season then I'd be happy with that
 
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I would love it as fans if we boycotted a CL home game next year.

Nobody there would hurt there product and I personally couldnt give two fucks about the corrupt pile of shite anyway
 
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Blueband Brother said:
S04 said:
Blueband Brother said:
Essentially we are paying the 50 million euros with the squad restricted to 21 players. That is what the statement is saying really.

This is rubbish!!!, I am disappointed that the club has taken this path of compromise that confers admission of fault and breakage of the rules. This makes me angry.

We don´t pay anything really... We have our income from Uefa "reduced" by €20m, that´s all

There is a lot of lawyer pretty talk way of disclosing information in the statement. My understading is as follows:

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League completion in season 2013-14. - 10 million

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League for season 2014-15 - 10 million

Rather than having an accumulative allowance of 30m Euros of losses over the next two reporting years(like all other clubs), MCFC will have specific stipulated allowances for 2013-14 and 2014-15 of 20m Euros and 10m Euros respectively. Significantly ,MCFC plans to be profitable in 2014-15 and in the years that follow.
- ---- 10million (for 2013-2014) and 20million (for 2014-2015)

Total Payment 2013-2015 50 million

My opinion is that this is a statement of concession under the guise of a so called compromise and mutual agreement. We are going to pay UEFA, the corrupt, disgusting, Don Fannucci esque bullies and schemers all those moneyzzzz , £50 million of them. Although the 30 million for allowances is subject to turn over in the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons. So you may say that it is only £20 million but I think it is the £50 million and we are just sugar coating it.

I always say that perception is not everything but it is something in certain situations and in this case perception is absolutely key. The media, other fans and institutions will have the indolence and disregard born out of hatred for City to actually take this as face value. They will take this as Manchester City admitting that the have broken the rules and by doing so hunted down and made to pay and unfortunately, that is the reality of this agreement.

Some people say that in years time when we are winning trophies, this day will be naught but a slap on the wrist. I've got to tell you that I think different and I see things completely different. This is what is going to happen- 7 years from now, perhaps if another club is in our current situation, how will city be referred. They will say ,, ''7 years ago City broke the rules, cheated and had to submit, and accept their wrongs and pay their fines. If we can punish City when they broke the rules, we can certainly punish you''. That is what UEFA and media will be saying in years to come. They have got what they want, they have made us their little female dogs (insert one word equivalent) and this will be etched in the history books.

Compromise is nonsense. Perception and principle is much more important than anything else, even though the consequence may seem severe, even if we have to fight this out in the courts or banned (which was going to be difficult if the former action is taken), the only avenue to attain respect, to grasp redemption is to FIGHT THIS OUT!!!!, that was the only way. .....today is not a good day for the club and I am not happy with this course of action by the club. If I am the only one that thinks this way then so be it.

This was the opportunity to fight and expose the greedy elitist cult of clubs but we seemed to have allowed UEFA to continue to reign supreme. I have said it many times in this forum that the scariest word, the word that makes me really worried and terrified is ''precedence''. I despise and dread that word as once the line is crossed there is no going back.

I will also say this again, we have done nothing wrong. You cannot penalize an institution for investment, you penalize and regulate for debt and Manchester City is a debt free instituition so FFP or other administrative code of ethics or rules does not and should not apply to the club.

You've not understood what's being said.

We lose 10m euros from this seasons money.

We lose 10m euros from next seasons money.

The other money you highlighted, the 20m and 10m ISN'T a fine, or money we don't get. What they are saying is that most clubs can lose 30m over those 2 seasons, i.e. it doesn't matter how that 30m is lost, it can be 10m in year 1 and 20m in year 2, so no downwards trend. With City we can lose up to 20m in year 1, but no more, and up to 10m in year 2 but no more. So for City losing 30m in year 1 and 0m in year 2 isn't allowed, even though it is still just 30m lost.
 
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VOOMER said:
baldybouncer said:
Champions2012! said:
No backbone from the board. UEFA will never get off our backs now.

Don't type like a twat. It's all about negotiating and compromise.

This piece of crap act is against general business law across the globe, nevermind the EU. We are deluded if we think it ends here. It makes no sense.

Buy a ticket then don't show up. Otherwise we'll just fail FFP again.
 
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baldybouncer said:
Champions2012! said:
No backbone from the board. UEFA will never get off our backs now.

Don't type like a twat. It's all about negotiating and compromise.

UEFA is bent as f*ck, FFP has been tailored specifically to stop Man City - Do you think the likes of Gill and the G14 Cartel are going to leave us alone if we don't make a stand now? I just hope the City owners are waiting for the Dupont challenge to FFP but I don't think that is until 2015 so that will be a long wait. This has not been a transparent process by UEFA and it stinks of a witch hunt and a cartel trying to protect their dominance of a market.....

These people don't play nice, City thought they were negotiating and compromising with UEFA all the way through the process but they shafted us at the 11th hour. Yes we have negotiated the sanctions down to a manageable level but we lost the first battle and we can't afford to lose another one otherwise we will be in mortal danger of losing the war ......
 
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Some of you care far too much about what other fans think. If it weren't FFP, it would be something else. They're bitter because they're losing to City, that's going to be true no matter what. We have a fucking fantastic football club, enjoy it for fuck's sake.

I'm disappointed that the club didn't challenge, but not surprised. I think FFP is a crock of shit, but the statement from our club is a pile of awesome that almost makes it worth it. It's like a few hundred character shoulder shrug.
 
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TrueBlue1705 said:
YourBirdCanSing22 said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
It seems clearer what has transpired now and why we were upset with UEFA. We had been working on the basis of being able to exclude £80m of player wages in order to comply. That figure always looked high to me but Kieran Connor (aka Swiss Ramble) told me that UEFA had clarified the pre-2010 wages figure by saying that although FFP says that renegotiated contracts were not included, we could exclude any wages paid under those renegotiated contracts in 2011/12 that we would have paid under the old contract.

As an example, if we paid Player A £70k a week and renegotiated that up to £90k a week on or after June 1st 2010, we could still exclude the £70k. The statement seems to imply that they have back-tracked on that, hence we aren't allowed to exclude the £80m but a lesser amount. So that's why we believe they've gone back on their word.

To me, it looks like a catastrophic PR failure from our club. Again.

This is a golden era for City. I don’t even think these punishments will affect us too much. The only question for me is whether our owners (coming from an entirely different media culture) are being given the best advice on how to manage the media in Europe.

These 'rules' were announced 3 years ago. They were laughable, transparently corrupt, and may yet turn out to be illegal. Why on earth did we wait until the 11th hour to start talking to journalists about them?

Why did we let every major European news outlet cover Platini & Gill’s media roadshow for ‘fairness,' but wait until the last 2 weeks to begin briefing on the hypocrisy of it all, set against the United's leveraged debts, or the community regeneration we are doing in East Manchester?

Why have we let HUNDREDS of journalists and 'financial experts' merrily publish their conclusions that City would fail (which we have) without sharing with any of them our plans to comply, and some of the detail of our conversations with UEFA? So that if UEFA have broken their word and moved the goalposts it would be now be obvious who the real cheats are?

Why have we relied on a single journalist - Martin Samuel - to tell the other side of the story? And not because we talked to him about it, but because he came to that conclusion on his own.

Why have we let Wenger make City and their evil money a weekly theme of his Friday press conferences without once reminding those same journalists about the tens of millions Arsenal have happily taken from us to spend on their new stadium?

Why have we not fed ONE serious news article been to the press that highlights the clear conflict of interest in a director of Manchester United (still involved in the day-to-day running of the club) sitting on a UEFA panel that has the power to run the rule over their biggest competitor’s accounts?

Because we want to do it 'quietly.'

We let UEFA, Ruminegge, Platini, Gill and Wenger set the media agenda, while we believe (against ALL evidence) that silence is a better strategy. And in the end, where has it got us?

Just wait and see how they now emerge to bask in this triumph. Forget the gentle requests to UEFA in our official statement, or the reality that these measures may not really affect us, this will be a media Tsunami. As far as the world is now concerned:

City tried to outspend the ‘big clubs’ - they were stopped.
City tried to ‘cook the books’ and cheat the fairness rules - they were caught and punished.


We lost the PR war, hands down. Again.

Our owners are quiet, successful people and they want the club to operate that way. But football is political. And like all politics, the media is the key battleground. Time and time again we get beaten at their game.

There is a middle ground between the motormouth of Suliman al-Fahim and total silence. In fact there are a multitude of positions between the two.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it:
Our media team are NOT up to the job of managing one of the biggest news cycles in modern sport, and our owners are getting the wrong advice with regard to how to handle the press.

Good points, I agree with most of that - I think are owners are trying to play by the rules and have been naive to say the least, not just on the PR side but also the fuckwit accountants we hired to make sure we complied with FFP need the boot, they are obviously taking millions of the owners and must have been telling them we are on course to comply!! ...

I am worried this has only just started I think Gill has plans to put a spanner in the works in the PL next. He and the Chelsea chairman are increasingly powerful, whilst Scudamore's position is becoming more difficult and he may not have the stomach to fight these guys...

When you try and manipulate the press like that, it almost always blows up in your face. The media are more interested in your desire to change the story and make you look ever worse in the process. What you have described above is no reflective of the reality of how the media works and what power a club might have to frame the story. It also ignores the fact that if we try and shame any single person, then we make a real enemy. It is far more effective to work quietly and behind the scenes and build long term relationships.. and sometimes take some public punishment so someone can save face, but build in loopholes so the impact is minimal. It's not clear this was poorly handled. It could be this was brilliantly handled. How can you ever know?
 

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