City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[Ban-jani]

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Wasn't Ffp designed to prevent clubs going into debt and administration Aka Leeds, Portsmouth ?

Why are people losing sight of this ?
We are in no way associated with why Ffp was originally designed, we have bent over and taken it from Uefa , what the fuck is going on here ? As said in previous posts , our PR department and communication to the fans is a fucking shambles, we deserve support as much as the club you know.
Fans aren't here for fucking fun you know , we deserve to know what's going on, forget lawyer speak , forget politics, say it how it is

Come on city, grow some fucking balls

Don't be naive you cuntflapper.

If they let us know, then everyone in the world knows their approach.
What do you expect them to do, riddles on the back of season cards?

 

[daztrueblue91]

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I think some people are missing the bigger picture here.

Platini and UEFA have never been our biggest issue, as far as their interests are concerned another team coming along and challenging the elite is good for business. That's why the PL chairman is against forms of a PL FFP. I'm sure someone said earlier in the season that our game against Barca was predicted to be the most watched game other than the final.

The real issue is the cartel clubs who try and dictate UEFA. The likes of Arsenal, United and Liverpool have got a lot more to lose with our rise than UEFA have. The interview that Platini gave with Martin Samuel pretty much summed up what FFP is about. I genuinely believe that FFP was set up by Platini and Co with the intention of stopping clubs from doing a Portsmouth or Leeds. But it got hijacked by the opportunistic cartel who seen it as a way of preserving their dominance.

I honestly believe that a European Super League is something the cartel actually want. Lets face is Bayern make sure they have no competition in their league, the Milan clubs are way off the pace in Seria A, Despite Atletico having a top season it looks like they are gonna lose their stars in the summer which makes La Liga a two-horse race again.

I'm sure I read a while ago that the seeding system was in place to make sure the bigger clubs reach the latter stages as that is what the public want to see. Don't quote me on this but i'm sure someone mentioned that people would much rather watch Barca and Madrid in the final than Monaco and Porto.

The way I see it, the best way we can get back at the Cartel is not by challenging UEFA and taking them to court. But by joining them and hindering their influence. The more successful we are, the less control they have and that is what they are truly shit scared of.

 

[LoveCity]

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Someone will have to explain to me how they can limit how many players we can name without reducing the homegrown demands pro rata.

 

[ManCitizens.]

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We don´t pay anything really... We have our income from Uefa "reduced" by €20m, that´s all

There is a lot of lawyer pretty talk way of disclosing information in the statement. My understading is as follows:

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League completion in season 2013-14. - 10 million

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League for season 2014-15 - 10 million

Rather than having an accumulative allowance of 30m Euros of losses over the next two reporting years(like all other clubs), MCFC will have specific stipulated allowances for 2013-14 and 2014-15 of 20m Euros and 10m Euros respectively. Significantly ,MCFC plans to be profitable in 2014-15 and in the years that follow.- ---- 10million (for 2013-2014) and 20million (for 2014-2015)

Total Payment 2013-2015 50 million

My opinion is that this is a statement of concession under the guise of a so called compromise and mutual agreement. We are going to pay UEFA, the corrupt, disgusting, Don Fannucci esque bullies and schemers all those moneyzzzz , £50 million of them. Although the 30 million for allowances is subject to turn over in the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons. So you may say that it is only £20 million but I think it is the £50 million and we are just sugar coating it.

I always say that perception is not everything but it is something in certain situations and in this case perception is absolutely key. The media, other fans and institutions will have the indolence and disregard born out of hatred for City to actually take this as face value. They will take this as Manchester City admitting that the have broken the rules and by doing so hunted down and made to pay and unfortunately, that is the reality of this agreement.

Some people say that in years time when we are winning trophies, this day will be naught but a slap on the wrist. I've got to tell you that I think different and I see things completely different. This is what is going to happen- 7 years from now, perhaps if another club is in our current situation, how will city be referred. They will say ,, ''7 years ago City broke the rules, cheated and had to submit, and accept their wrongs and pay their fines. If we can punish City when they broke the rules, we can certainly punish you''. That is what UEFA and media will be saying in years to come. They have got what they want, they have made us their little female dogs (insert one word equivalent) and this will be etched in the history books.

Compromise is nonsense. Perception and principle is much more important than anything else, even though the consequence may seem severe, even if we have to fight this out in the courts or banned (which was going to be difficult if the former action is taken), the only avenue to attain respect, to grasp redemption is to FIGHT THIS OUT!!!!, that was the only way. .....today is not a good day for the club and I am not happy with this course of action by the club. If I am the only one that thinks this way then so be it.

This was the opportunity to fight and expose the greedy elitist cult of clubs but we seemed to have allowed UEFA to continue to reign supreme. I have said it many times in this forum that the scariest word, the word that makes me really worried and terrified is ''precedence''. I despise and dread that word as once the line is crossed there is no going back.

I will also say this again, we have done nothing wrong. You cannot penalize an institution for investment, you penalize and regulate for debt and Manchester City is a debt free instituition so FFP or other administrative code of ethics or rules does not and should not apply to the club.

You've not understood what's being said.

We lose 10m euros from this seasons money.

We lose 10m euros from next seasons money.

The other money you highlighted, the 20m and 10m ISN'T a fine, or money we don't get. What they are saying is that most clubs can lose 30m over those 2 seasons, i.e. it doesn't matter how that 30m is lost, it can be 10m in year 1 and 20m in year 2, so no downwards trend. With City we can lose up to 20m in year 1, but no more, and up to 10m in year 2 but no more. So for City losing 30m in year 1 and 0m in year 2 isn't allowed, even though it is still just 30m lost.

What a load of shit, if we go under we go under. Administration isn't good for any club or owner, nobody wants that. If they spend badly and go bust, welcome to the world of business.

FFP is a joke but it looks like we are willing to help slam the door shut on any competitive investment for the sake of a fine.

Whilst this is happening we all pay 10% more every season, laughable.

 

[Matty]

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We don´t pay anything really... We have our income from Uefa "reduced" by €20m, that´s all

There is a lot of lawyer pretty talk way of disclosing information in the statement. My understading is as follows:

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League completion in season 2013-14. - 10 million

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League for season 2014-15 - 10 million

Rather than having an accumulative allowance of 30m Euros of losses over the next two reporting years(like all other clubs), MCFC will have specific stipulated allowances for 2013-14 and 2014-15 of 20m Euros and 10m Euros respectively. Significantly ,MCFC plans to be profitable in 2014-15 and in the years that follow.- ---- 10million (for 2013-2014) and 20million (for 2014-2015)

Total Payment 2013-2015 50 million

My opinion is that this is a statement of concession under the guise of a so called compromise and mutual agreement. We are going to pay UEFA, the corrupt, disgusting, Don Fannucci esque bullies and schemers all those moneyzzzz , £50 million of them. Although the 30 million for allowances is subject to turn over in the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons. So you may say that it is only £20 million but I think it is the £50 million and we are just sugar coating it.

I always say that perception is not everything but it is something in certain situations and in this case perception is absolutely key. The media, other fans and institutions will have the indolence and disregard born out of hatred for City to actually take this as face value. They will take this as Manchester City admitting that the have broken the rules and by doing so hunted down and made to pay and unfortunately, that is the reality of this agreement.

Some people say that in years time when we are winning trophies, this day will be naught but a slap on the wrist. I've got to tell you that I think different and I see things completely different. This is what is going to happen- 7 years from now, perhaps if another club is in our current situation, how will city be referred. They will say ,, ''7 years ago City broke the rules, cheated and had to submit, and accept their wrongs and pay their fines. If we can punish City when they broke the rules, we can certainly punish you''. That is what UEFA and media will be saying in years to come. They have got what they want, they have made us their little female dogs (insert one word equivalent) and this will be etched in the history books.

Compromise is nonsense. Perception and principle is much more important than anything else, even though the consequence may seem severe, even if we have to fight this out in the courts or banned (which was going to be difficult if the former action is taken), the only avenue to attain respect, to grasp redemption is to FIGHT THIS OUT!!!!, that was the only way. .....today is not a good day for the club and I am not happy with this course of action by the club. If I am the only one that thinks this way then so be it.

This was the opportunity to fight and expose the greedy elitist cult of clubs but we seemed to have allowed UEFA to continue to reign supreme. I have said it many times in this forum that the scariest word, the word that makes me really worried and terrified is ''precedence''. I despise and dread that word as once the line is crossed there is no going back.

I will also say this again, we have done nothing wrong. You cannot penalize an institution for investment, you penalize and regulate for debt and Manchester City is a debt free instituition so FFP or other administrative code of ethics or rules does not and should not apply to the club.

You're not alone, and that is a cracking post mate.

Apart from when he's got his maths fundamentally wrong you mean?

 

[Shadz69]

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Has anyone done a City themed fuck uefa pic yet?

 

[TrueBlue1705]

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PLEASE, someone clarify, is there a homegrown quota in the 21 squad ?????

I recon nobody knows yet, including the MUEN.

Well - if the 8 homegrown number that keeps getting banded about is true then we're royally f*cked for the CL

 

[Stoned Rose]

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A question for the more clued up members on here;

If we buy 5 players at £25 million each, all on 5 year contracts, does this only count as spending £25 million in total? Or is amortisation of contracts different?

There are none , this bumming has proved that

Having digested the outcome in full we haven't, contrary to my initial thinking, been bummed Corky. We've actually come out of it ok.

You are 100% spot on about there being no one on here who is 'clued up', even if one or two think they are, and several hundred sheep think so to.

 

[MaxCityBlue]

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Everyone is missing the bigger picture here..... including me, because I can't see the sense in agreeing to these sanctions. If Shieik Mansour wants to raise the profile of MCFC what better way of doing it than socking it to them through the courts? If we were to expose UEFA for the cheating hypocritical charlatans that they are we might actually change the public perception of our club.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

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PLEASE, someone clarify, is there a homegrown quota in the 21 squad ?????

Yes, Dipiss's seen it said on Cafe Rouge.