City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[lancs blue]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

@lancs blue, UEFA won't confirm that we've met the second break even target (-£10m) until April/May 2016 if the timescale for this year is the template, so it's de facto for both seasons unless the club are very, very sure that they've made it.

The club are required to provide detailed 6-monthly progress reports - these may allow UEFA to assess the likely result re FFP break-even figures in advance of the dates you suggest.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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the champs league has lost all credibility, it's a financially artificial competition

Remember?

As soon as City we're *given* Dortmund, and United we *given* CFR 1907 Cluj, so Dortmund and Bayern didn't clash on German television, it was all over for me.

Yes I'll still go and watch City in the CL, but the competition, the TV companies, UEFA, and the cartel clubs who run it, have made it meaningless.

Well said.

It's become wrestling, but with bigger audiences. I used to think perhaps there were parts of it that were a bit iffy. Now I am of the opinion that the entire organisation and competition is corrupt from top to bottom. I would imagine we have fixed draws, players taking bungs, refs the same, officials the same, UEFA execs the same. I can not imagine there is any aspect of the entire thing that is "straight".

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

@lancs blue, UEFA won't confirm that we've met the second break even target (-£10m) until April/May 2016 if the timescale for this year is the template, so it's de facto for both seasons unless the club are very, very sure that they've made it.

The club are required to provide detailed 6-monthly progress reports - these may allow UEFA to assess the likely result re FFP break-even figures in advance of the dates you suggest.

I wasn't saying it wasn't possible, just unlikely. We should be, first and foremost for the next two seasons making sure we knock the requirements to have the sanctions lifted on the head so that this becomes just a memory. The club have already stated that the wage bill wasn't going to rise next two seasons anyway so I doubt they'll risk giving Gill and co an excuse to impose fresh sanctions (has to be remembered our outgoings this summer will free up £400,000 p/w or more from the wage bill anyway so it definitely shouldn't be rising).

 

[ForzaMancini]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

the champs league has lost all credibility, it's a financially artificial competition

Remember?

As soon as City we're *given* Dortmund, and United we *given* CFR 1907 Cluj, so Dortmund and Bayern didn't clash on German television, it was all over for me.

Yes I'll still go and watch City in the CL, but the competition, the TV companies, UEFA, and the cartel clubs who run it, have made it meaningless.

Well said.

It's become wrestling, but with bigger audiences. I used to think perhaps there were parts of it that were a bit iffy. Now I am of the opinion that the entire organisation and competition is corrupt from top to bottom. I would imagine we have fixed draws, players taking bungs, refs the same, officials the same, UEFA execs the same. I can not imagine there is any aspect of the entire thing that is "straight".

Don't buy the argument about us being given tough groups. The fact remains our team was good enough on paper to progress each time and UEFA could not predict our failings. If UEFA is really corrupt, why would the established clubs such as Bayern and Real Madrid have been happy to receive groups containing us, Napoli, Ajax, Dortmund etc. ? Fair enough, they progressed, but they would have been much happier to be placed in a weaker group. You can't argue United getting easy groups as evidence when you consider Madrid and Bayern were both awarded tough groups. Like Mancini and Pellegrini said, we are the team to avoid in the group stages. So why would the elite clubs want us?

 

[Rammyblues]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

For decades when we were shit I dreamt of us in CL now we are in it all we seem to do is knock it. We all know it is bent, we all know it is fixed, we all know that is where money and prestige is,the fans are irrelevant. We all know that is where you get worldwide recognition and thereby grow your fanbase making even more money.

For me we have paid our membership to this organisation, and for me it is always about beating them at their own game following their rules. How sweet it will be in a year or two for Vinny to be handed that trophy by Platini look him in the eye and call him for what he is.

We are not going to change UEFA, but we can piss on their chips.

 

[Marvin]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

the champs league has lost all credibility, it's a financially artificial competition

Remember?

As soon as City we're *given* Dortmund, and United we *given* CFR 1907 Cluj, so Dortmund and Bayern didn't clash on German television, it was all over for me.

Yes I'll still go and watch City in the CL, but the competition, the TV companies, UEFA, and the cartel clubs who run it, have made it meaningless.

Well said.

It's become wrestling, but with bigger audiences. I used to think perhaps there were parts of it that were a bit iffy. Now I am of the opinion that the entire organisation and competition is corrupt from top to bottom. I would imagine we have fixed draws, players taking bungs, refs the same, officials the same, UEFA execs the same. I can not imagine there is any aspect of the entire thing that is "straight".

The bigger the prize, the bigger the political battles and intrigue

Give up? No chance. I thought reading City's club statement we were half-way there, so it's a bit strange reading the reaction on here

 

[maurizio]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

If that lawyer wins his FFP challenge at the ECJ in the next year or two, can we claim compensation?

 

[ElanJo]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

The CL is great. I'm sure people on here just slate it because we haven't done that well in it so far.

Big babies

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

If that lawyer wins his FFP challenge at the ECJ in the next year or two, can we claim compensation?

We'd certainly have the sanctions lifted immediately if any were still in place, but in any settlement agreement there's an acceptance that neither party will pursue further legal action, so imo the most we would get is the return of any withheld prize-money.

 

[jrb]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Remember?

As soon as City we're *given* Dortmund, and United we *given* CFR 1907 Cluj, so Dortmund and Bayern didn't clash on German television, it was all over for me.

Yes I'll still go and watch City in the CL, but the competition, the TV companies, UEFA, and the cartel clubs who run it, have made it meaningless.

Well said.

It's become wrestling, but with bigger audiences. I used to think perhaps there were parts of it that were a bit iffy. Now I am of the opinion that the entire organisation and competition is corrupt from top to bottom. I would imagine we have fixed draws, players taking bungs, refs the same, officials the same, UEFA execs the same. I can not imagine there is any aspect of the entire thing that is "straight".

Don't buy the argument about us being given tough groups. The fact remains our team was good enough on paper to progress each time and UEFA could not predict our failings. If UEFA is really corrupt, why would the established clubs such as Bayern and Real Madrid have been happy to receive groups containing us, Napoli, Ajax, Dortmund etc. ? Fair enough, they progressed, but they would have been much happier to be placed in a weaker group. You can't argue United getting easy groups as evidence when you consider Madrid and Bayern were both awarded tough groups. Like Mancini and Pellegrini said, we are the team to avoid in the group stages. So why would the elite clubs want us?

I wasn't highlighting the draw itself, but the fact that UEFA stated live on TV that Dortmund would go *straight into Manchester City's group*(Dortmund were the 2nd last ball to be pulled out), and that would automatically put Cluj into Manchester United's group, due to German television(and UEFA) not wanting Bayern and Dortmund to play on he same night.

If it would have been a straightforward draw, there would have been a 50/50% chance that Dortmund would have got either City or United. As it was, it was a 100% certain that City got Dortmund. Ah!?

The fact that all four teams won their leagues and ended up in the same group, is a testament to how stupid the draw is.

It should be as follows.

Winners of their leagues in pot1
Runners up in pot 2.
3rd place in pot 3.
4th place in pot 4.

We still have a situation where Arsenal, who haven't won the title since 2003/4(10 years ago), are still in pot one.

It doesn't take a genius to workout that the cartel, along with UEFA, have also fixed this. The teams with the most coefficients points will always be in pot 1. So it doesn't matter that Arsenal keep on finishing forth, as they will always play in the CL and get the necessary coefficients points to remain in pot 1. :-?