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Why are you rattling on?

I said I was only funning for a start but the point remains Haaland will still have to change his style to play in Pep's system.
He'll have to adapt regardless. Even if he stays at Dortmund he'll have to adapt to Rose's style and requirements.
 
For once Liverpool City United Chelsea might be on the same side.

The continental cartel have realised they can’t specifically target City so they have to go for the PL now.

This is the sort of thing Khaldoon was talking about in one of his end of year speeches. He said something like you might not be interested in defending City but defend the PL as a whole...it’s your job.

Ive seen this idea of not being able to buy players from clubs that are also in the CL and I don’t get the idea at all it’s bizarre and sounds like restraint of trade and freedom of movement.

I doubt it, the American owners will be delighted at any mechanism that guarantees them a spot, levels the playing field and drives down the market (not competing on signings) and allows them to take their dividends.

Then they can cherry pick the other teams that can make it in with VAR, as they'll all be suppressed financially so can't compete, meaning small differences in games will hugely impact their finishing position, then they can do a Bayern and poach. Equally players will want more freedoms and release clauses at said clubs so they can run their contract down to get a move or be poached.

It's going to make football worse, not better.
 
That would also stuff Barca and Madrid as they get the lion's share of Spanish TV money so probably will not happen.
Not really, they get to use the money to pay their debts off, they get the European money guaranteed every season so can leverage their debt based on it and they also get more control over other clubs access to European competition and can drive down the market still further by hoarding the resource, restricting access and then poach like Bayern do.
 
Buying a business and then making the business pay for it is not allowed in some countries, the USA is one interestingly enough, but it is lawful in the UK and so UEFA would find itself tied up in the courts for years if it tried to outlaw it. It seems unlikely to be good "for the game", I agree, but it looks certain not to be good for Burnley and other clubs but it is still lawful. There are a couple of points about cash injections, the first of which is that you wish to limit what can be injected and limit the period over which it can be invested (over and above other sources of revenue). This pays no heed to the needs of the club. Spurs' new stadium s illustrates the problem. During construction the costs spiralled which means they would almost certainly have injected more than allowed and/or taken longer to have paid. It took Arsenal years to pay for their new ground and Spurs will take years so the idea that injecting so much over so long defies any attempt by regulations to say what can be invested over how long. And neither Arsenal nor Spurs could show that the "money actually existed" because they had to borrow it and it was the judgement of the lenders, not the FA or UEFA, that they could meet repayments years in the future. But it would be "bad for the game" if such investment and debt were not allowed. So, do you want to limit spending just on transfers and wages .......... which is exactly what FFP tries to do, and this favours some clubs massively at the expense of others. As for agents, they perform a service which players obviously value and as well as being, as the phrase goes, stakeholders in the game they're also the people we pay to go and watch so we may need to proceed with care.
I was offering a point of view. You have a different one. You're entitled to it.
 
Where will he play in Peps no striker system?

lol only funning really but one of them will have to change styles a little to accommodate a match made in heaven.
I really think he could play anywhere across the front three but I think Pep will build the team around him like he did with Messi. Haaland is young enough and good enough to be moulded into whatever Pep wants.
 
I really think he could play anywhere across the front three but I think Pep will build the team around him like he did with Messi. Haaland is young enough and good enough to be moulded into whatever Pep wants.
Oh I want him in blue without a shadow of doubt, if he comes here he will blow Aguero's record to pieces and there can be no higher praise than that.
 
Joking, kidding etc different areas use different sayings sometimes.

fun
/fʌn/

verb
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
gerund or present participle: funning
  1. joke or tease.
    "no need to get sore—I was only funning"
Definitions from Oxford language

Evidently, I spend too much time on American football forums it seems.
 
Joking, kidding etc different areas use different sayings sometimes.

fun
/fʌn/

verb
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
gerund or present participle: funning
  1. joke or tease.
    "no need to get sore—I was only funning"
Definitions from Oxford language

Evidently, I spend too much time on American football forums it seems.
Sod off with your informal American verbs. :)
 
If FFP was essentially a barrier to entry amongst 'elites' for any new club, will we be part of that cartel moving into next era? because European Super League would certainly be that barrier, in a new form, keeping just a few additional clubs happy without having to leave it open for more competition.
 
I doubt it, the American owners will be delighted at any mechanism that guarantees them a spot, levels the playing field and drives down the market (not competing on signings) and allows them to take their dividends.

Then they can cherry pick the other teams that can make it in with VAR, as they'll all be suppressed financially so can't compete, meaning small differences in games will hugely impact their finishing position, then they can do a Bayern and poach. Equally players will want more freedoms and release clauses at said clubs so they can run their contract down to get a move or be poached.

It's going to make football worse, not better.
This sums it up well. The Americans have a different perspective on sport. They prefer the level playing field approach which given their population, the fact they have more land to build big stadiums, and their historic need for profits, is different to Europe and certainly the UK. Its more about profit than investment in a team. I guess in the 80s, 90s when we were crap I would possibly have welcomed this. Having seen the last 13 years of development of our club, I guess I am selfish in disliking their approach. There are may arguments for and against.
Even when we were crap, I still hoped. I was envious of the Rags and Scousers, but that actually made me love City more and hope. The truth is that big cities, like London, Manchester will always have bigger stadiums and more support.But look at how badly Newcastle and Birmingham have been managed, big cities but shit management,why do they deserve a piece of the pie ? Also, the concept of say Burnley or Brighton, with smaller crowds competing on a level playing field is not one that I relish or feel would work.
The TV money we get is mostly based on big clubs, with world wide support, creating enough interest to justify the money being earned.I suspect we would lose this in the UK if the American approach was adopted.
FSG were lucky with a few good purchases,Coutinho has funded their expansion !! Their run is coming to an end. Rags have been robbed by the Glazers. The fans are not happy with the models being used.
The bottom line is that teams that invest more, should be rewarded more, and success breeds success. Rant over !!!
 
The Americans have a different perspective on sport. They prefer the level playing field approach which given their population, the fact they have more land to build big stadiums, and their historic need for profits, is different to Europe and certainly the UK.
It's more to do with the college sports level and the franchises not developing players.
 
It's more to do with the college sports level and the franchises not developing players.
I thought they have a system where the bottom guys in the league have first choice on new players.. could be wrong !!
Salary caps ? Glazers using Utd. to fund their losses in other areas of their business model ? Dont see that with our owners.. Am not an expert by any means, just re-iterating stuff I have read.

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I thought they have a system where the bottom guys in the league have first choice on new players.. could be wrong !!
Salary caps ? Glazers using Utd. to fund their losses in other areas of their business model ? Dont see that with our owners.. Am not an expert by any means, just re-iterating stuff I have read.

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They do, but the whole draft system exists as the colleges develop players and not the franchises. Nobody owns their contract when they enter the league.
 
I would imagine that stadium costs will not be included in the restrictions. All regulation of the P and L favours some clubs against others and is bound to fail because the Barca's of this world will do it all on the never never.
The point I'm making is that Platini had no idea how complex the problems of regulating football finance was and so his idea sounded good in the abstract but was near impossible to realise. The elite clubs were horrified when he talked about controlling debt, for obvious reasons, and they threatened action through the courts to stop him. Debt has always been accepted as a means of raising capital for investment and UEFA would have lost heavily in the courts. The threat of secession probably frightened him rather more and he gave control over regulation away and the Gills of this world replaced concern over debt with concern over spending, but they couldn't demand immediate payment for infrastructure because it was necessary and the G 14, along with everyone else, didn't have the readies. This left them with spending on players - transfer fees and wages - and this was exactly what they wanted, to make spending limited to income. My point though is the even those who wish to act in good faith and regulate football finance find they have a very limited field of action and find they either let clubs make their own decisions or introduce some clumsy control of transfers and wages which freezes football in the status quo at the time the regulations are introduced. This was made clearer by FFP was introduced precisely for that purpose but it is hard to see how it could have been avoided with the best will in the world.
 

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