City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[dave_blue12]

You should go look at a couple of extra sources as well as Marca. Come back and tell us what you find.

He's just a troll. Ignore him. The website I quoted covers all the major leagues. For anybody who is interested just check out
their figures for the Premier League ... they look pretty accurate to me!

The twat would be better changing his name to redwanc ... a complete tosser this guy.The fucker is obsessed with us.

What a great idea ! Maybe a Mod could 'help' him ?

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

I've also not once in 100+ posts said that City are ruining football with their money. Not once. A lot of you think cos i'm a Red i'm saying that by default, but i'm not.

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

 

[redmanc34]

You should go look at a couple of extra sources as well as Marca. Come back and tell us what you find.

He's just a troll. Ignore him. The website I quoted covers all the major leagues. For anybody who is interested just check out
their figures for the Premier League ... they look pretty accurate to me!

Looking at all the web sources the 'average' average attendance figures given for Malaga CF last season are around the 21,500-22,500 mark so your source was pretty generous tbf.

But so far on this thread and the Guardiola one alone we've had our owner being from Dubai, Malaga's ejection from European Football being unconnected to unpaid transfer fees and wages, Seven horse races in the noughties in the French League, Shaktar being the dominant force in Ukrainian football, 20 odd thousand fans making you a better supported club than 65k+ and that's just off the top of my head. This lad is comedy gold tbh.

Apologies for confusing 2 cities in the same country there.

If FFP didn't exist Malaga wouldn't have been ejected from Europe would they? So as much as you say it's nothing to do with FFP, if there was no FFP, they wouldn't have been ejected. Thats the truth.

The noughties in the French League, Nantes, Lyon, Lille, Lens, Auxerre, Monaco, PSG, Bordeaux, Lille and Marseille were all involved in title races, as in they all finished in the top 3. Thats actually 9 different teams. It's irrelevant that Lyon won so many, as your man said before, just because PSG will win 3 in a row, it doesn't make it a one horse race. So we can apply his same logic to the Lyon scenario of the noughties then can't we?

I think it's obvious to anyone that knows anything about Ukrainian football that Shakhtar have dominated recent times. 8 titles in 10 years is domination.

With regards to Malaga I said that as their fans aren't fickle, and are the only set of fans in Spain that travel away in big numbers. Which to me is a sign of a good set of fans. I can't imagine you thinking at the Etihad that a team would have good support if they turned up with only 100-200 fans in their allocation.

It may be comedy gold, but where exactly was I unbelievably wide of the mark with any of that?

 

[jrb]

redmanc34.

You don't know what's coming. When it's built in the future, and I'm guessing it will be tied in some way to Manchester City Football, the revenues it will generate will be mind blowing. 24/7, 365 days a year.

Don't worry, FFP or not, City will have more than enough money to buy the World's best players, if they want to come?

Enjoy your time on here, no matter how long it lasts.

 

[redmanc34]

I've also not once in 100+ posts said that City are ruining football with their money. Not once. A lot of you think cos i'm a Red i'm saying that by default, but i'm not.

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

Not really, I think what Mansour has done in regards to the Etihad Campus and that is fantastic. He has set you up for life with that, and I take my hat off to it. The only part of his model I had doubts over was your high wage bill at a time where your expenses massively outweighed your income, because it is a risky game, especially if he was to walk away. But he's getting that under control now anyway

 

[redmanc34]

redmanc34.

You don't know what's coming. When it's built in the future, and I'm guessing it will be tied in some way to Manchester City Football, the revenues it will generate will be mind blowing. 24/7, 365 days a year.

Don't worry, FFP or not, City will have more than enough money to buy the World's best players, if they want to come?

Enjoy your time on here, no matter how long it lasts.

I don't doubt that mate, not at all

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

I've also not once in 100+ posts said that City are ruining football with their money. Not once. A lot of you think cos i'm a Red i'm saying that by default, but i'm not.

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

Not really, I think what Mansour has done in regards to the Etihad Campus and that is fantastic. He has set you up for life with that, and I take my hat off to it. The only part of his model I had doubts over was your high wage bill at a time where your expenses massively outweighed your income, because it is a risky game, especially if he was to walk away. But he's getting that under control now anyway

Fair enough. I can't really argue with any of that. He was never going to walk away but I take your point that plenty of owners have
and have destroyed clubs in the process, Portsmouth being the prime example.

 

[redmanc34]

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

Not really, I think what Mansour has done in regards to the Etihad Campus and that is fantastic. He has set you up for life with that, and I take my hat off to it. The only part of his model I had doubts over was your high wage bill at a time where your expenses massively outweighed your income, because it is a risky game, especially if he was to walk away. But he's getting that under control now anyway

Fair enough. I can't really argue with any of that. He was never going to walk away but I take your point that plenty of owners have
and have destroyed clubs in the process, Portsmouth being the prime example.

Exactly, honestly as I said i'm not here as a WUM, and maybe some points I mention have been covered before and you're bored of the same discussion so I apologise for that. But i don't come here slagging you off, a lot of the stuff I bring up to discuss and learn.

 

[route46]

here u go here's another source for Malaga home fixtures.....only 1 is rounded up

last 5 games at home

Espanyol- 16,181
Getafe- 19,939
Cordoba 28,000
Real soc- 20,499
Atletico Madrid- 26,982


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-malaga/spielplan/verein/1084/saison_id/2014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-malag ... on_id/2014</a>

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

He's just a troll. Ignore him. The website I quoted covers all the major leagues. For anybody who is interested just check out
their figures for the Premier League ... they look pretty accurate to me!

Looking at all the web sources the 'average' average attendance figures given for Malaga CF last season are around the 21,500-22,500 mark so your source was pretty generous tbf.

But so far on this thread and the Guardiola one alone we've had our owner being from Dubai, Malaga's ejection from European Football being unconnected to unpaid transfer fees and wages, Seven horse races in the noughties in the French League, Shaktar being the dominant force in Ukrainian football, 20 odd thousand fans making you a better supported club than 65k+ and that's just off the top of my head. This lad is comedy gold tbh.

Apologies for confusing 2 cities in the same country there.

If FFP didn't exist Malaga wouldn't have been ejected from Europe would they? So as much as you say it's nothing to do with FFP, if there was no FFP, they wouldn't have been ejected. Thats the truth.

The noughties in the French League, Nantes, Lyon, Lille, Lens, Auxerre, Monaco, PSG, Bordeaux, Lille and Marseille were all involved in title races, as in they all finished in the top 3. Thats actually 9 different teams. It's irrelevant that Lyon won so many, as your man said before, just because PSG will win 3 in a row, it doesn't make it a one horse race. So we can apply his same logic to the Lyon scenario of the noughties then can't we?

I think it's obvious to anyone that knows anything about Ukrainian football that Shakhtar have dominated recent times. 8 titles in 10 years is domination.

With regards to Malaga I said that as their fans aren't fickle, and are the only set of fans in Spain that travel away in big numbers. Which to me is a sign of a good set of fans. I can't imagine you thinking at the Etihad that a team would have good support if they turned up with only 100-200 fans in their allocation.

It may be comedy gold, but where exactly was I unbelievably wide of the mark with any of that?

Lyon's title wins:
01/02-2pts.
02/03-1pt.
03/04-3pts.
04/05-12pts.
05/06-15pts.
06/07-17pts.
07/08-4pts.

Strong period of domination that.

Plus, it should be pointed out that the things Malaga were banned for under FFP are completely irrelevant to us. They weren't banned for the same reasons we were unjustly punished, so arguments about them being banned under FFP are irrelevant.

 

[Tbilisi]

I've also not once in 100+ posts said that City are ruining football with their money. Not once. A lot of you think cos i'm a Red i'm saying that by default, but i'm not.

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

Wilf stop bullying

 

[Tbilisi]

Yeah they are, Malaga are the only club in Spain that travel away domestically. They're the least fickle and most passionate as the 95% suggests.

Yeah Malaga do have a better academy than United. Typical Spanish club though. They invest more in youth a look more long term.
PSG will win the league this season, they have a game in hand at home to Metz. I know shocks happen, and maybe if they were away, but no way will they lose that.

You are discounting Atletico then from your statement?

There was a few at Malaga the other week when they played. about 100, Malaga usually take 1,000 at least. Couldn't tell you if Atleti go La Coruna and that, but I know Malaga do, and that's a mission

I followed Atletico in my time in Spain and believe me they are the best away supported team in that country.....that said,Rick can we keep him?

 

[Centurions]

Whew, a dozen new pages since I looked earlier. I thought UEFA had brought forward the accounting period with no advance warning and punished us again.

 

[laserblue]

I've also not once in 100+ posts said that City are ruining football with their money. Not once. A lot of you think cos i'm a Red i'm saying that by default, but i'm not.

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

Not really, I think what Mansour has done in regards to the Etihad Campus and that is fantastic. He has set you up for life with that, and I take my hat off to it. The only part of his model I had doubts over was your high wage bill at a time where your expenses massively outweighed your income, because it is a risky game, especially if he was to walk away. But he's getting that under control now anyway

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Your credibility has taken another dive with that one. What next? It will all collapse when the oil runs out? Or another often quoted desperate rag claim?

 

[lloydie]

Whew, a dozen new pages since I looked earlier. I thought UEFA had brought forward the accounting period with no advance warning and punished us again.

No, it's worse than that, we've got a scouserag infestation that seems immune to all the anti-bullshiteria we throw at it.

 

[SilverFox2]

Whew, a dozen new pages since I looked earlier. I thought UEFA had brought forward the accounting period with no advance warning and punished us again.

And PB wanted to close it down some time ago (I think he may still feel that way).
So we have drifted off topic or there is still opinion on the thread title.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

I'll say good luck to you in your quest against FFP, and I'm being serious, but I can't see you getting anywhere. For the simple fact of this. Abdullah Al-Thani, billionaire of the Qatari Royal Family bought Malaga CF a few years back. This guy is serious, about as serious as your guy. Anyway he invested a but of money in the club, and then same up with a scheme to invest in the local area. His scheme was to build a SportCity in Malaga centre, by La Rosaleda stadium similar to what you have with the Etihad Campus, along with that he wanted to build a new port in Marbella that could accommodate his yacht.
Anyway Al-Thani goes to Malaga council with these plans, he has the plot of land sorted and everything. Malaga council say to him that any construction work of this size needs to be run past the Andalucian Council first, the regional government by Malaga. This is based in Sevilla. Now Sevilla detests Malaga, as a city, and also Sevilla and Real Betis hate Malaga and see themselves as the two powerhouses in Andalucian football. So on that basis, planning permission is rejected. Al-Thani who is worth £2b is pissed off, appeals the decision in the court and loses. This is a government where street lights are turned off on the main motorway after 11 at night because they can't afford to have them on, and yet Al-Thani with all that money and all those possible backhanders couldn't even get them to approve his plans.
Now compare that small skint regional government to a corporation the size of UEFA, they hold 10x the power of the Andalucian government, which is why I feel the money Mansour has maybe won't hold much sway. As I said, good luck to you in the court, but after what happened at Malaga I think it's a long shot

A nice try, but totally irrelevant and in no way bears any similarity with that of City and Sheikh Mansour. Malaga did receive a UEFA ban if that is what you are alluding to, but this was because of unpaid debts, something that City cannot be accused of. If you want to make an issue of what Mansour has done for City ...and Manchester as a whole ...then ask what the Glazer family has done for it's own catchment area. The answer, as we know, is NOTHING. Indeed, they used borrowed money to buy your club and then loaded this debt onto your club's balance sheet in the hope that success would be maintained thus generating enough revenue to at least pay the interest on this debt. So far they have succeeded but the whole point is that DEBT became part of the rag empire means of existence, something that was supposed to be the reason for the implementation of FFP, but this has been twisted around to conveniently ignore debt and to focus on high spending instead and not only that but to make up the rules as they go along. This twisting of the ideals of FFP from the original debt to one of high spending is unethical and as far as I am concerned is why I believe that City were wrong in not challenging FFP in it's original form. By failing to do so, the club just allowed these ongoing changes to become set in stone and we have damaged ourselves by allowing it to happen.

 

[LoveCity]

Today Dynamo Moscow have been ruled to have overspent by UEFA and their punishment is going to be decided by the panel.

Monaco, Inter and Roma are still under investigation. Cases against Lyon, Bursaspor and Anzhi have been closed.

Is it encouraging we aren't mentioned or are we being looked at separately because we already failed?

 

[redmanc34]

Looking at all the web sources the 'average' average attendance figures given for Malaga CF last season are around the 21,500-22,500 mark so your source was pretty generous tbf.

But so far on this thread and the Guardiola one alone we've had our owner being from Dubai, Malaga's ejection from European Football being unconnected to unpaid transfer fees and wages, Seven horse races in the noughties in the French League, Shaktar being the dominant force in Ukrainian football, 20 odd thousand fans making you a better supported club than 65k+ and that's just off the top of my head. This lad is comedy gold tbh.

Apologies for confusing 2 cities in the same country there.

If FFP didn't exist Malaga wouldn't have been ejected from Europe would they? So as much as you say it's nothing to do with FFP, if there was no FFP, they wouldn't have been ejected. Thats the truth.

The noughties in the French League, Nantes, Lyon, Lille, Lens, Auxerre, Monaco, PSG, Bordeaux, Lille and Marseille were all involved in title races, as in they all finished in the top 3. Thats actually 9 different teams. It's irrelevant that Lyon won so many, as your man said before, just because PSG will win 3 in a row, it doesn't make it a one horse race. So we can apply his same logic to the Lyon scenario of the noughties then can't we?

I think it's obvious to anyone that knows anything about Ukrainian football that Shakhtar have dominated recent times. 8 titles in 10 years is domination.

With regards to Malaga I said that as their fans aren't fickle, and are the only set of fans in Spain that travel away in big numbers. Which to me is a sign of a good set of fans. I can't imagine you thinking at the Etihad that a team would have good support if they turned up with only 100-200 fans in their allocation.

It may be comedy gold, but where exactly was I unbelievably wide of the mark with any of that?

Lyon's title wins:
01/02-2pts.
02/03-1pt.
03/04-3pts.
04/05-12pts.
05/06-15pts.
06/07-17pts.
07/08-4pts.

Strong period of domination that.

Plus, it should be pointed out that the things Malaga were banned for under FFP are completely irrelevant to us. They weren't banned for the same reasons we were unjustly punished, so arguments about them being banned under FFP are irrelevant.

You sure thats a period of domination? Cos your boy earlier told me Shakhtar haven't cominated Ukrainian football by winning 8 titles in 10 years. There's a lot of contradictions in your camp.

 

[redmanc34]

Good.

A question for you:-

Is what Sheikh Mansour has done for City any different to what John Henry Davies did for United before the First World War?

Not really, I think what Mansour has done in regards to the Etihad Campus and that is fantastic. He has set you up for life with that, and I take my hat off to it. The only part of his model I had doubts over was your high wage bill at a time where your expenses massively outweighed your income, because it is a risky game, especially if he was to walk away. But he's getting that under control now anyway

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Your credibility has taken another dive with that one. What next? It will all collapse when the oil runs out? Or another often quoted desperate rag claim?

Nope. the WAS is past tense. That was my point mate. Other wise I would have said "especially if he decides to walk away" see the difference.