City Matters thread

[KS55]

More chance of me starting in a deep lying midfield role against Inter than that happening I suspect.

Although Pep has been known to overthink these occasions, so you never know.

Dubbin your boots!

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Isnt the point of

Is there any point in having city matters?

They clearly have no influence or say over anything the club do. They released statements against price rises and the Madrid ticket criteria and it achieved nothing.

They’d be better off resigning and helping to form a proper supporters trust alongside the other city fan groups. Seems like they genuinely care about these issues, but it’s pointless with this club

Isn't the point of a supporters trust to be a collective of shareholders so you can say to the club "we represent X % of shareholders...."?
No individual fans hold any shares in City.

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

I noticed in May’s City Matters minutes there was no mention of the Brentford ticket breakdown, with only half the tickets going to fans who had to apply for tickets. Can you bring that up at the next meeting please. And discuss the possibility of a breakdown % of away tickets starting next season so we can see where the away tickets are going.

Sorry missed this pal. I’ve actually asked on two occasions going back to when the tickets went on sale - still waiting for an answer. Now, perhaps understandably, the club are a bit preoccupied with the FA Cup Final and Istanbul, but I’m not dropping this one.

I’ve also asked for the breakdown previously and intend to do so again.

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

Sorry missed this pal. I’ve actually asked on two occasions going back to when the tickets went on sale - still waiting for an answer. Now, perhaps understandably, the club are a bit preoccupied with the FA Cup Final and Istanbul, but I’m not dropping this one.

I’ve also asked for the breakdown previously and intend to do so again.

@jrb I have an update on this. The fact that it has taken until recently to get an answer is telling...

The club state that the correct allocation went on sale for Brentford - that is 60% of the allocation (so circa 990 tickets). That said, I do recognise the suspicion from a number of supporters about the number of tickets actually reaching each allocation.

*Edited for accuracy.

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

As some of you may know, the Premier league have recently launched their Fan Engagement Standard as part of a beefed up approach across the league to fan representation. The brief policy is worth reading and outlines what will be expected of each club: https://resources.premierleague.com.../Fan-Engagement-Standard-March-2023-FINAL.pdf

Pertinently, clubs will be required to publish a Fan Engagement Plan at the start of each season outlining what their fan groups will be covering over the course of the season. At the end of the season, it is my understanding that a progress report will be published independently via the fan group (so City Matters) on progress and their satisfaction with the club. The club will also face scrutiny from an independent commission into the extent of their fan engagement.

In addition, clubs are expected to publish a Terms of Reference for how their fan group will operate. This is something that I have been pushing for City Matters to have since I joined the group. At our meeting with the club last night, we went through a draft version of the ToR and it should hopefully be published soon.

Edit: To add, some of the things that will be contained within the ToR are minimum standards for the publishing of minutes.

 

[Northmanc68]

@jrb I have an update on this. The fact that it has taken until recently to get an answer is telling...

The club state that the correct allocation went on sale for Brentford - that is 60% of the allocation (so circa 990 tickets). I understand that it isn't as straight forward as counting the number of tickets on sale online at the start of criteria, as they hold some back for in person sales for obvious reasons. That said, I do recognise the suspicion from a number of supporters about the number of tickets actually reaching each allocation.

United publish the exact number of tickets that goes to each group , it isn’t difficult - having said that they operate a Ballot which would be awful , they do not give tickets to Supporters Clubs either , although I seem to remember an occasion when they allocated 200 tickets to their Norwegian suppporters at Bolton away and sold them a full travel package incl flights and tickets -

 

[Corky]

@jrb I have an update on this. The fact that it has taken until recently to get an answer is telling...

The club state that the correct allocation went on sale for Brentford - that is 60% of the allocation (so circa 990 tickets). I understand that it isn't as straight forward as counting the number of tickets on sale online at the start of criteria, as they hold some back for in person sales for obvious reasons. That said, I do recognise the suspicion from a number of supporters about the number of tickets actually reaching each allocation.

They haven't allowed in person sales of away tickets for a long time, or at least don't advertise it. It seems very odd giving that reason.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

As some of you may know, the Premier league have recently launched their Fan Engagement Standard as part of a beefed up approach across the league to fan representation. The brief policy is worth reading and outlines what will be expected of each club: https://resources.premierleague.com.../Fan-Engagement-Standard-March-2023-FINAL.pdf

Pertinently, clubs will be required to publish a Fan Engagement Plan at the start of each season outlining what their fan groups will be covering over the course of the season. At the end of the season, it is my understanding that a progress report will be published independently via the fan group (so City Matters) on progress and their satisfaction with the club. The club will also face scrutiny from an independent commission into the extent of their fan engagement.

In addition, clubs are expected to publish a Terms of Reference for how their fan group will operate. This is something that I have been pushing for City Matters to have since I joined the group. At our meeting with the club last night, we went through a draft version of the ToR and it should hopefully be published soon.

Edit: To add, some of the things that will be contained within the ToR are minimum standards for the publishing of minutes.

Thank you for pushing on this Alex. Hopefully, this can be a chance to reset. Keep it the good work and comms

 

[Manncity]

To whom it may concern,
when the expanded North stand is completed, I hope we can reIease the same amount of new season cards.

 

[Norbert D]

To whom it may concern,
when the expanded North stand is completed, I hope we can reIease the same amount of new season cards.

Unfortunately if they release new season tickets they will make it a free for all to every member like last years silver card shambles.

 

[Norbert D]

As some of you may know, the Premier league have recently launched their Fan Engagement Standard as part of a beefed up approach across the league to fan representation. The brief policy is worth reading and outlines what will be expected of each club: https://resources.premierleague.com.../Fan-Engagement-Standard-March-2023-FINAL.pdf

Pertinently, clubs will be required to publish a Fan Engagement Plan at the start of each season outlining what their fan groups will be covering over the course of the season. At the end of the season, it is my understanding that a progress report will be published independently via the fan group (so City Matters) on progress and their satisfaction with the club. The club will also face scrutiny from an independent commission into the extent of their fan engagement.

In addition, clubs are expected to publish a Terms of Reference for how their fan group will operate. This is something that I have been pushing for City Matters to have since I joined the group. At our meeting with the club last night, we went through a draft version of the ToR and it should hopefully be published soon.

Edit: To add, some of the things that will be contained within the ToR are minimum standards for the publishing of minutes.

Hi Alex, why do the club treat match day members like shit irrespective of number of loyalty points or purchase history? I have spent literally thousands on match day tickets over the last few years yet am treated as if I only became a member yesterday. I cannot join a cup scheme, am never eligible for away tickets, have to scramble with the hoards to buy overpriced seats etc etc

 

[Eccles Blue]

Edit: To add, some of the things that will be contained within the ToR are minimum standards for the publishing of minutes.

I hope no one minds that I’ve now raised a City flag in my window for the publishing of minutes!! Hooray just flipping hooray at last. I’ve mentioned not finding minutes so often that I don’t even need to type the words any more. My iPhone does it for me!






Just kidding about the flag but definitely cheering for the minutes!

 

[Norbert D]

Calling me a cynic but if the Premier League are behind this fans engagement thing you can bet the motive is political or money or both.

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

They haven't allowed in person sales of away tickets for a long time, or at least don't advertise it. It seems very odd giving that reason.

Sorry, I'll edit my post - that's my own error. I purchase online so wasn't aware.

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

Hi Alex, why do the club treat match day members like shit irrespective of number of loyalty points or purchase history? I have spent literally thousands on match day tickets over the last few years yet am treated as if I only became a member yesterday. I cannot join a cup scheme, am never eligible for away tickets, have to scramble with the hoards to buy overpriced seats etc etc

I have raised this along with some other members a number of times.

After the Madrid cock up we worked with them over criteria more generally, but a somewhat similar scenario has happened with the Premier League free for all. We have put in for an urgent meeting about match day criteria for the Champions League. I have put forward the idea about joining cup schemes and I will again - if I remember rightly, I think the club were concerned about where members on the schemes would then fall in terms of criteria for knock out stages etc. Me and Mark Todd (the disability representative) are supportive of using a similar points system to away matches for members sales.

I had intended to do some research into match day ticket pricing after the end of the season, but Istanbul then took precedence with the issues supporters faced. I think the match day pricing is utterly ridiculous and will be picking that up sometime soon.

I am not entirely sure why long-standing members have been on the wrong end of so many bad decisions (whether by choice or ignorance), but what I do know is that the club have been utterly unprepared for the rapid influx in new members. The reason for the lack of Madrid criteria, for example, was because the same fixture the year before had not sold out to members straight away and so they replicated it - obviously 21/22 was a very different season to 22/23. Whilst there many have been ticket point criteria in the past for match day sales, at least recently the club have also only ever put restrictions due to security concerns.

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

I hope no one minds that I’ve now raised a City flag in my window for the publishing of minutes!! Hooray just flipping hooray at last. I’ve mentioned not finding minutes so often that I don’t even need to type the words any more. My iPhone does it for me!






Just kidding about the flag but definitely cheering for the minutes!

The latest minutes have been on the website for a few months and we had agreed internally about the seven days to publish minutes, but it is great to see it codified. I think City Matters can go a long way if the basics are correct - the fact that they haven't for so long is an inditement.

 

[Eccles Blue]

The latest minutes have been on the website for a few months and we had agreed internally about the seven days to publish minutes, but it is great to see it codified. I think City Matters can go a long way if the basics are correct - the fact that they haven't for so long is an inditement.

Yes Alex but I’m talking about the months and months before that. As PB will tell you I was a thorn in his side at times I’m sure. It was a hit or miss situation. Maybe this month not next month!

Why I’m celebrating is that now the FA have made it part of the Terms of Reference they have to publish them. :-)

 

[Alex - The Citizens Trust]

Yes Alex but I’m talking about the months and months before that. As PB will tell you I was a thorn in his side at times I’m sure. It was a hit or miss situation. Maybe this month not next month!

Why I’m celebrating is that now the FA have made it part of the Terms of Reference they have to publish them. :-)

Sorry, I understood what you meant - poor wording on my part. I agree it has been poor (and not even hit and miss) for too long.

 

[Corky]

Sorry, I'll edit my post - that's my own error. I purchase online so wasn't aware.

No probs, I am not blaming you. Ta.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Calling me a cynic but if the Premier League are behind this fans engagement thing you can bet the motive is political or money or both.

The motive is clearly trying to show the government that the PL can increase fan involvement without an IR. Unfortunately for the PL, politicians are experts at producing and identifying bullshit so it won't make the slightest difference.