City Ownership

[moomba]

What exactly is it we are supposed to be doing about this relevation?

The club say that they are 100% owned by Sheikh Mansour, unless something happens to suggest that isn't the case I'm not sure why it should be an issue to anyone.

 

[Bluetones]

not sure if this has been covered, but one of our directors is called Mohamed al Mazrouie, he may have been talking about him???

 

[fbloke]

Superb argument Andy; they can treat people like that because it is their culture. I wonder what you reaction would be if it was the type of person you work with and I used the "culture" excuse.

"Well, it's just Western culture to take the piss, who are we to preach that it is wrong?"

Would you accept that as an acceptable response from me, or would you tell me that I was full of shit?

As I mentioned earlier in the thread the idea that the UK, France, Italy, Germany and almost any nation you could name are as guilty of abuse of human rights abuse as almost any other nation.

Do you deny that there are and should continue to be cultural differences across the globe or do you want to create a homogenised global community based on what you perceive to be acceptable values?

If you accept that difference is 'good' then surely we have to accept that difference causes friction?

I have been involved in the battle to save Garry McKinnon from being extradited to the US because we in the UK deal with people with learning difficulties/disabilities very differently in our judicial system to the way the US have a history and tradition of dealing with the same people.

Culturally we cannot be as close to any country as the US and yet we have such different values.

You seem to be throwing the old accusation that because I appreciate things need to change, but also accept that it will happen at a pace and in a manner that we may not be able to fully agree with, that I simply accept what goes on across the globe.

Amnesty International are one of a few global organisations that act as the conscience of us all. They serve a valuable role but they are not perfect.

You could say that AI are acting like any other political party - http://www.economist.com/node/8888792 - and have a polemic they want us all to engage with.

http://antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=9163

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/getting-human-rights-wrong-1.271563

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article7019817.ece

The simplicity of your argument will never hold water in the real world though as no country is perfect.

 

[Damocles]

not sure if this has been covered, but one of our directors is called Mohamed al Mazrouie, he may have been talking about him???

It has; he isn't a Sheikh.

 

[i8rags]

i thought our owner was deemed fit and proper etc, all this thread is full of, is speculation and i frankly can not believe it has not been pulled, i think if read by the club, it could be quite damaging.

Mancini says a few words in broken english and the next minute we are owned and run by desperados.

 

[Krieng_Thai OSC]

Under pressure from Western leaders about the Human Trafficking, he made a 55m donation to the UN to help fight the issue.

55 m looks like a routine donation to me. No need of pressure from any country, This royal family are well known globally for their generosity in charity. I think it is part of Muslim that every year need to give 2.5% of income for poor and needy.

It is not all the time donation is in public, when some countries need help they will come to visit Al Nahyan and return home with money full in travel suit case.

One of the occasion is the charity to Iraq by writing off 7,000 m debt in 2008. The money that can buy manure club and burn down for 7 times (I will do that if I have that much of money).

<a class="postlink" href="http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/government/uae-scraps-billions-in-iraq-debt-1.116905" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/gover ... t-1.116905</a>

Al Nahyan has good reputation of their donation to charity for decades .
I am not their PR but just want to add some missing fact into the topic.

 

[Damocles]

As I mentioned earlier in the thread the idea that the UK, France, Italy, Germany and almost any nation you could name are as guilty of abuse of human rights abuse as almost any other nation.

Logical fallacy number 1: Appeal to Tradition

Do you deny that there are and should continue to be cultural differences across the globe or do you want to create a homogenised global community based on what you perceive to be acceptable values?

2. Strawman

If you accept that difference is 'good' then surely we have to accept that difference causes friction?

3. False dichotomy

I have been involved in the battle to save Garry McKinnon from being extradited to the US because we in the UK deal with people with learning difficulties/disabilities very differently in our judicial system to the way the US have a history and tradition of dealing with the same people.

Culturally we cannot be as close to any country as the US and yet we have such different values.

4. Mind Projection

You seem to be throwing the old accusation that because I appreciate things need to change, but also accept that it will happen at a pace and in a manner that we may not be able to fully agree with, that I simply accept what goes on across the globe.

5. Strawman

Amnesty International are one of a few global organisations that act as the conscience of us all. They serve a valuable role but they are not perfect.

You could say that AI are acting like any other political party - http://www.economist.com/node/8888792 - and have a polemic they want us all to engage with.

http://antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=9163

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/getting-human-rights-wrong-1.271563

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article7019817.ece

The simplicity of your argument will never hold water in the real world though as no country is perfect.

6. Appeal to tradition.

That's impressive, even for you mate. Your whole argument seems to be "everybody is shit", which is as absurd as it is disheartening. Your argument is justification for everything that is wrong in the world; under your own system, there is no need for anyone to ever intervene anywhere and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights doesn't need to be enforced because we are "working towards it".

Also, attacking the actions of a source isn't actually an argument, I have no idea why you posted a diatribe against AI.

 

[samharris]

what colour scarves shall we be wearing next year then as our protest ??

 

[Nascent Blues]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to classics now.

Manager thanks owner, chairman of the board and chairman in that order and we have a conspiracy theory about global human rights abuse!

It's going to be a long off season.

Sheikh Mohammed isn't on the board of directors. You've done that lovely thing where every Arab name looks the same.

The problems that AD faces (and lets not forget that its of less interest to us what the UAE gets up to and yes I don understand the relationship between the two) is more to do with the non-native population, economic migrants if you will.

Italians sink boats full of North African's rather than let them land.

The French repatriate gyspies and ban the burkha

Germans have a rather long history (modern) of hostels being burnt to the ground and neo-nazis murdering imigrants.

I could of course go on but I think it is also important to note that the wonderful EU has many problems, some of which are worse than the issues facing AD.

As an interesting side note the Schengen Agreement is close to being binned because of issues with them damn foreigners. And the UK deliberately and decisively did not sign up to it.

Does that make all of us bad people?

Dam' my head is nowhere near the sand and I happen to be well enough read to understand these things a little better than some.

One thing you should know of course is no country is ever guilt free but their are far bigger fish to fry than AD.

IMHO.

Anyway, fbloke, you should go and tell Ahmed Mansoor that AD's problems are based on migrant workers. Some nice light reading for you:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/18/sex-and-the-city-2-abu-dhabi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -abu-dhabi</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/united-arab-emirates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/ ... b-emirates</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=384&key=25&parent=2&report=56" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cf ... &report=56</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/uae" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/uae</a>

Yeah, because The Guardian and Freedom House are not biased are they? I mean, they're known for sitting on the fence whilst giving the whole two sides to whatever they're reporting.

 

[fbloke]

Its very easy to suggest that we all should fight against the ills of the world but why doesnt it happen?

Because outside of our immediate social circles, for good or ill, these larger issues mean very little to us.

You and I have worked/work in IT which if we lived up to the ideals you suggest we should should disgust us. We should refuse any contact with companies who trade with, manufacture in or sub-contract to China.

But guess what it doesn't happen because we all find ways of validating our own positions - self interest is like that of course.

You spend an inordinate amount of time pulling apart other peoples arguments apart and offering forward your labels for elements of them but very little time or effort rebutting.

I accept that we should all do more. I also accept that we aren't likely to.

You however suggest that that realism is in some way shameful whilst at the very same time busying yourself in doing very little about very little.

But as I said I am a realist who sees the world develop slowly and surely but also imperfectly.

Are you an idealist Dam' or is your head simple planted in the idealists sand pit?