Tuearts right boot
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Well what ever happens I hope it doesn't set the Welsh off and they've got Bale.
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Civil war in Spain?
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This isn't the Brexit thread it's a thread about Catalan independence so I'll agree to disagree and carry on regardless. However the rise of nationalism is in part a response to the EU and it's going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better.
That I sort of agree with.
except I would say its the nationalist misrepresenting the EU that has led to the rise of nationalism and it will get worse before it gets better.
and you are right its not the brexit thread, so wont discuss brexit anymore here.
As with all referendums of this kind it should boil down to what you feel. If the Catalans feel both catalan and Spanish, then they should vote to stay as part of spain and if they feel Catalan and not spanish, they should vote to leave. Economic arguments should not come into it.
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bluethrunthru
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Been watching a great documentary on PBS on SKY 534 about Scots who went out to Spain to fight for the International Brigade in the Spanish Civil War - interviews amassed over a decade with surviving Brigadistas before they died - excellent description of how the war was seen as a political statement as much as an act of war. Great insight - was interested because my great uncle was a Brigadista and refused to fight in WW2 when he got back as he said WW2 was a capitalist war fought in preservation of capitalism and capitalist aims.
Prestwich_Blue
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I'm sure all those brutally murdered in Europe and the Far East during WW2 went to their deaths quite happily knowing about his principled stand.Great insight - was interested because my great uncle was a Brigadista and refused to fight in WW2 when he got back as he said WW2 was a capitalist war fought in preservation of capitalism and capitalist aims.
bumbleblue
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It wouldn't be called Brexit though. Something like Catshit.
Haha brilliant
bluethrunthru
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I'm sure all those brutally murdered in Europe and the Far East during WW2 went to their deaths quite happily knowing about his principled stand.
conscientious objector being a legitimate reason not to fight in a democracy - I am sure all those who objected would be so happy to have your understanding
Prestwich_Blue
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While I can easily understand anyone who was a conscientious objector in WW1, I completely fail to understand how someone could take that view in WW2, which was a war against terrible tyranny. As a member of the International Brigade, there's little doubt he would have been shot had the Germans invaded. Given the Russo-German pact, I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing at the time, even if he was utterly and shamefully misguided.conscientious objector being a legitimate reason not to fight in a democracy - I am sure all those who objected would be so happy to have your understanding
bluethrunthru
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While I can easily understand anyone who was a conscientious objector in WW1, I completely fail to understand how someone could take that view in WW2, which was a war against terrible tyranny. As a member of the International Brigade, there's little doubt he would have been shot had the Germans invaded. Given the Russo-German pact, I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing at the time, even if he was utterly and shamefully misguided.
a 2017 view on a 1930's dilemma - none of us are possibly able to make that sort of judgement