Clattenburg, the FA & Adebayor - proof that the system is bent

[jitsubluedan]

New chant needed, 'are you watching refereeee' every time some thug chops down one of our 'players'

Or better still : "Are you watching sky TV"

Let's call them out on their selective reporting on controversial incidents/decisions

 

[Marvin]

I have to post this again.



Could this happen in the current game?

 

[Gordyola]

I believe that what you are saying is entirely true, however I don't think they're great examples to be using for your argument.

Firstly, the Adebayor "celebration" was an exceptional circumstance and the FA had to make it abundantly clear that they didn't want anything like it to ever happen again, so IMO they rightly made an example of him and punished him for it. I get that you're saying they worked around the rules by changing the name of the offence he was booked for, but I think they did the right thing in terms of it being a preventative measure.

The stamp from Adebayor: from the camera angle from behind Clattenburg's view - even in slow motion you can't really tell it's as bad a stamp as the other angles then show, therefore it's plausible that when he saw it in real time he didn't think anything of it, then having watched it back he realised the sinister intent behind it.

Similar to the Adebayor stamp is Aguero's elbow on Reid last weekend. Why are people trying to justify what he did by saying the ref saw it? Even if the ref did see it (again, heat of the moment might simply have missed it as it was a split second), he might simply have not thought anything of it, then changed his mind when he saw the replays later.

I think the rules are slightly flawed in that had Aguero been booked for that, he couldn't then have had a ban. What Aguero did was 100% wrong and nobody wants to see it in football, therefore it's right that he gets a ban for it. I'd want any footballer to be banned for that.

I agree there are a lot of unexplainable inconsistencies in the refereeing of football at all levels, but I think the only way to get rid of them is to get rid of human referees and make it all computerised. I'm sure we're heading that way which is good news. Aren't FIFA trialling semi-live video assistant referees at the minute?

Not trying to justify the incident, regardless what Sergio did, the regulations say if the ref saw it he cannot be retrospectively punished. Halsey revelations show that the refs are told to lie. It is fundamentally vital that the honesty of refs is beyond reproach, now we know this isn't the case. It opens up the possibility that refs can be manipulated to suit an agenda. City contested the Sergio incident because they refute that he did what he was charged for but fundamentally that the liar ref saw it and decided that there weren't anything in it.

 

[Jacob Smith]

The point you're completely missing is whether the same changing of the rules would have applied were Adebeyor wearing a rag shirt, I think not. What about Rooney running towards the corner towards the City away fans after scoring that overhead kick off his shin pad? Was that not the same offence, or is it judged by how far you run? Can you point me to the rule that differentiates the respective incidents?

If there are rules what is the point of having them if when they don't suit the outcome you want you can change them or get people to lie so you can get the outcome you want?

The lack of media coverage of this absolutely astonishing admission by Halsey is pravda like. To win we have to overcome so many additional barriers and its making me hate the game I love. I refuse to abandon my club and let them win but I accept we are working to a different set of rules.

That said we should keep exposing this corruption everywhere we see it. Normal people now have platforms to get this stuff out to the wider public and we owe it to our club to do that.

my first paragraph literally says "I don't disagree with your point, I just think you're using bad examples". I agree with what you're saying, I can also see other former referees backing Halsey up with similar allegations in the near future which will give the story more exposure and hopefully lead to a more transparent and consistent process for retrospective banning, although I won't hold my breath!

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

I have to post this again.



Could this happen in the current game?

Quite fascinating to see that after years have passed. Reyes getting the treatment Silva gets so often and the defenders basically getting away with it. Unbelievably poor refereeing to the point it seems bent and then the finale where Shrek dives to get the matchwinning penalty.

Could it happen again...probably yes

 

[Jacob Smith]

Not trying to justify the incident, regardless what Sergio did, the regulations say if the ref saw it he cannot be retrospectively punished. Halsey revelations show that the refs are told to lie. It is fundamentally vital that the honesty of refs is beyond reproach, now we know this isn't the case. It opens up the possibility that refs can be manipulated to suit an agenda. City contested the Sergio incident because they refute that he did what he was charged for but fundamentally that the liar ref saw it and decided that there weren't anything in it.

Put yourself in the ref's shoes for this exact incident. He might see that *something* happened, but he might not have seen exactly what did happen. If he's not entirely sure that Sergio swung an elbow with the intent he apparently did, he can't punish him for it there & then but he can go back and see what did happen.

I understand the point from blues that if he was wearing a red shirt the outcome would likely be different, see Fellaini, Rooney etc consistently escaping punishment.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I have to post this again.



Could this happen in the current game?

No.

The refs have to be more clever now, such as 'seeing' a Fellaini elbow but not red carding it or later telling the ref he didn't see a slap on the chest by Aguero & giving him a 3 game ban for 'intent'.

The desired end result is the same: stopping any club from breaking away from Manu etc & keeping Liverpool involved if possible.

The commentators have to be smarter now too. They can't be quite as blatant as to just ignore it & pretend everything is fine, like they often did back then. They have to be 'reasonable' & biased.

 

[Neville Kneville]

A bigger question is why do you think a referee as bad as that, gets the job of overseeing the referees today ?

What particular quality were they looking for ?

I wonder if we can guess.

 

[Gordyola]

Put yourself in the ref's shoes for this exact incident. He might see that *something* happened, but he might not have seen exactly what did happen. If he's not entirely sure that Sergio swung an elbow with the intent he apparently did, he can't punish him for it there & then but he can go back and see what did happen.

I understand the point from blues that if he was wearing a red shirt the outcome would likely be different, see Fellaini, Rooney etc consistently escaping punishment.

He can't do that, the regs say if he saw the course of play, my words, then he doesn't have the option to review it afterwards. FIFA don't want the game to be reffed after the game they want real-time otherwise ever incident should be reviewed. There were numerous incidents in this game that need re-reffing, Sergio was called offside when he was free on goal, TV showed he wasn't, the WHU fullback should have been sent-off for second booking then committed another bookable offence but went on to cross for their goal. IMHO there should be no retro action.

 

[Gabriel]

Put yourself in the ref's shoes for this exact incident. He might see that *something* happened, but he might not have seen exactly what did happen. If he's not entirely sure that Sergio swung an elbow with the intent he apparently did, he can't punish him for it there & then but he can go back and see what did happen.

I understand the point from blues that if he was wearing a red shirt the outcome would likely be different, see Fellaini, Rooney etc consistently escaping punishment.

Alas, the referee can trot that line out for every decison, given or not.