Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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I would happily keep cabellero over Bravo, as of after the town game out of 14 shots came up against him, 9 have went in. This guy should really change his style because that is the only way I see him improving.
 
Are you seriously trying to say that shot was heading for the corner before this so called big deflection?! Was it fuck.

No, never said anything about it heading for the corner. No one called it a big deflection either.
 
Thing is if he just got his old shot-stopping form back we'd have the best keeper in the league because his passing is so good it's like playing with an extra man. You can see how much it frustrates the opposition.
 
The deflection made no difference, you're just clutching at straws, it was poor keeping from Bravo.

The deflection changed the flight as deflections tend to do. I've said he still should've saved it so I've no idea what I'm supposed to be clutching at.
 
I could just about understand having a marginally inferior keeper who is brilliant with his feet, there could be a net gain but the issue with Bravo is that his keeping has been so bad. I had a chat on here with Pablo1 in the summer when it was being mooted that Pep was more bothered about a keeper's footwork than his keeping. I jokingly said that we may as well put Silva or Yaya in there. People will think I'm just being a dick but I honestly wonder whether we'd have been any worse off with Yaya in goals instead of Bravo, his passing is better and I doubt his keeping would have been any worse because Bravo has hardly done any keeping. Niall Quinn was a much better shot stopper than this guy.

But he hasn't always been like this has he? From what I've read, his shot stopping percentages were much better when he was playing in Spain. He's been selected in the La Liga team of the season, he's been voted best keeper in international cometitions. Barca fans seem to have rated him highly. Pellegrini described him as the best keeper in the world, which is probably an exaggeration but he wouldnt have made that claim if it was entirely incredible.

Surely he must have more ability than we've seen so far?
 
But he hasn't always been like this has he? From what I've read, his shot stopping percentages were much better when he was playing in Spain. He's been selected in the La Liga team of the season, he's been voted best keeper in international cometitions. Barca fans seem to have rated him highly. Pellegrini described him as the best keeper in the world, which is probably an exaggeration but he wouldnt have made that claim if it was entirely incredible.

Surely he must have more ability than we've seen so far?
I think you have 'nailed' it there. The weather in Spain is more conducive to 'shot stopping' - unlike the weather in the UK - miserable , grey , wet....Lol
 
But he hasn't always been like this has he? From what I've read, his shot stopping percentages were much better when he was playing in Spain. He's been selected in the La Liga team of the season, he's been voted best keeper in international cometitions. Barca fans seem to have rated him highly. Pellegrini described him as the best keeper in the world, which is probably an exaggeration but he wouldnt have made that claim if it was entirely incredible.

Surely he must have more ability than we've seen so far?
Looks like a total failure of confidence to the point where you wonder whether he can recover, certainly I think he might need to move elsewhere to get it back. For me it is the downside of concentrating on attacking football to the point where it looks like nobody gives anywhere near enough of a shit about the defensive side of things. I think for a few years now we have totally hung the back half of our team out to dry, they have a thankless task where they are way too exposed (which IMO is why we have gone through so many central defenders since Mancini left the club and none of them have looked consistently good) and on top of that, this year they are all being asked to play like David Silva in tight situations. It doesn't surprise me that we have had moments where some of the defenders this season look like they have had total melt downs and resemble players who have never played professional football before but it's how they recover from those moments that counts. Some of them will sink and some of them will swim, Bravo is sinking.
 
Thing is if he just got his old shot-stopping form back we'd have the best keeper in the league because his passing is so good it's like playing with an extra man. You can see how much it frustrates the opposition.

that's enough now. I like a laugh like the next man but my coffee has just gone everywhere.
 
If Bravo had come in next summer, with Joe gone a year (permanently), and Willy had been #1, then I think he'd do great.

Unfortunately he was on a hiding to nothing because of the way it went down and how a section of City fans and the media were going to try and bury him because he wasn't Hart, and once he dropped the ball at OT he has just been a self-fulfilling prophecy for them.
 
If Bravo had come in next summer, with Joe gone a year (permanently), and Willy had been #1, then I think he'd do great.

Unfortunately he was on a hiding to nothing because of the way it went down and how a section of City fans and the media were going to try and bury him because he wasn't Hart, and once he dropped the ball at OT he has just been a self-fulfilling prophecy for them.
Nonsense,he is getting a hard time because he is not performing,we expected an all round upgrade but he has only shown he is a one trick pony
 
Nonsense,he is getting a hard time because he is not performing,we expected an all round upgrade but he has only shown he is a one trick pony

he got a hard time because he wasn't Joe, then when he cocked up more people jumped on the bandwagon and so it has gone on from there.
 
Strange, because once you allow for a couple of suicidal backpasses from Stones, at least 2 own goals (Kolarov/Sterling), and plenty of decent finishes that no goalkeeper would ever save, then you’re probably left with Bravo’s mistake on his debut at United, and maybe 4-5 that Hart might/might not have saved.

Then you have to factor an appalling Hart blunder at home to Norwich, and plenty of soft goals, but also his Man of the Match performance in Monchengladbach last season.


However, you’re not comparing like for like, because not only is Bravo more comfortable on the ball than Hart, he’s arguably more comfortable than Clichy, Otamendi, and Zabaleta.

Similarly, how many opposition goals came from throw-ins that Hart had just conceded with an aimless goal kick?


To be honest, I haven’t the faintest idea, but if Pep prefers Bravo then we have to back his judgement.
 
Bill and the media yes,credit the rest of us who have watched football for decades with a little more sense

was more than Bill, and I think giving up on a player who we know has that pedigree just because he's having a bad time of it isn't something to give credit for. Sterling and Willy would have been our loss if the club hadn't given up on them just because the fans got on their back and started spewing because they had bad games.
 
was more than Bill, and I think giving up on a player who we know has that pedigree just because he's having a bad time of it isn't something to give credit for. Sterling and Willy would have been our loss if the club hadn't given up on them just because the fans got on their back and started spewing because they had bad games.
Sterling is a kid,i expect more of the older players,Willy has risen (lol) to the challenge and bravo hasn't,i want him to improve for the good of the team but it's time he showed it,we are in march after all
 
Sterling is a kid,i expect more of the older players,Willy has risen (lol) to the challenge and bravo hasn't,i want him to improve for the good of the team but it's time he showed it,we are in march after all

Willy has 'risen to the challenge' after being here and pretty poor for 3 years.
 
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