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Claudio Bravo
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twoddlehopper
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Id say the 'sufficient' chance would be the fa and league cup. I think as a club we can all say Joe deserves to try and shine through in them at least.Gen question to you, what do you consider is being given "sufficient or a proper chance", and do you think we could afford that time?
malg
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My brother was telling me there's a great YouTube video of him playing the ball out from the back, and going that far out, that a defender had to go and cover the goals, then Bravo past it back to him. Anyone else seen it?
zeven
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My brother was telling me there's a great YouTube video of him playing the ball out from the back, and going that far out, that a defender had to go and cover the goals, then Bravo past it back to him. Anyone else seen it?
malg
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Probably been posted before, but hey ho:
PASSING ABILITY
Joe Hart:
Passes attempted: 1,241
Completion %: 52
Avg. pass length: 43.82 metres
Claudio Bravo:
Passes attempted: 1,694
Completion %: 76.3
Avg. pass length: 34.62 metres
It's clear that Bravo is more composed with the ball at his feet than Hart. He spent the 2013-14 season at Real Sociedad but it is when he moved to Barcelona where he really shone, completing 83.5 per cent of his passes in the past two seasons.
You've only got to look at the disparity in average pass length to notice that the Chilean is more accustomed to starting attacks with shorter passes. Hart averaged 42.8 metres in this category in 2015-16, which, in Guardiola's view, is far too high.
Manuel Neuer, his goalkeeper at Bayern Munich for the past three seasons, averaged 27.06m in average pass length in the Bundesliga last term.
Guardiola wants his goalkeepers to play short passes to his defenders. This isn't an overly difficult task but something that hasn't been a requirement of Hart in his time at Man City.
That Bravo is a natural in possession only adds to Hart's woes.
HART 0 BRAVO 1
GOALKEEPING SKILLS
Joe Hart:
Clean sheets: 42
Goals conceded: 100
Saves: 189
Saves per goal: 1.96
Claudio Bravo:
Clean sheets: 51
Goals conceded: 93
Saves: 227
Saves per goal: 2.93
Another category in which Hart cannot compete with Bravo. Last season, the Chilean conceded 22 goals yet still managed to make 68 saves; Hart allowed 36 goals and made 67 saves.
We've viewed Hart as a fine shot-stopper in recent years - among the finest England has produced - but compare him to Europe's best and his reputation certainly takes a hit.
HART 0 BRAVO 2
ERRORS
Joe Hart:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: eight
Claudio Bravo:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: five
Rather concerningly, mistakes have crept into Hart's game over the past year. He made four errors that led to goals for City last season and was at fault for two goals for England at Euro 2016, including allowing Gareth Bale's free-kick to swerve past him.
If City are to challenge for the Premier League, yet alone the Champions League, they're are going to need a reliable man between the sticks. It's not wrong to suggest Hart is no longer that man.
HART 0 BRAVO 3
CONCLUSION
Hart is a fine shot-stopper but the modern game requires goalkeepers who are adept with the ball at their feet. Guardiola is the biggest advocate of this, helping to evolve the position by turning Neuer into a 'sweeper-keeper' and in a decade's time we could well see goalkeepers who are as comfortable in possession as midfielders.
Though Bravo is 33, he can certainly meet Guardiola's demands for another three or four seasons while City groom his eventual replacement.
It makes perfect sense for the Citizens to buy the Barcelona man, especially for £17m. And City would even make a profit on that if they decide to sell Hart, who simply finds himself working under a management who views the goalkeeper position in an entirely unique way
PASSING ABILITY
Joe Hart:
Passes attempted: 1,241
Completion %: 52
Avg. pass length: 43.82 metres
Claudio Bravo:
Passes attempted: 1,694
Completion %: 76.3
Avg. pass length: 34.62 metres
It's clear that Bravo is more composed with the ball at his feet than Hart. He spent the 2013-14 season at Real Sociedad but it is when he moved to Barcelona where he really shone, completing 83.5 per cent of his passes in the past two seasons.
You've only got to look at the disparity in average pass length to notice that the Chilean is more accustomed to starting attacks with shorter passes. Hart averaged 42.8 metres in this category in 2015-16, which, in Guardiola's view, is far too high.
Manuel Neuer, his goalkeeper at Bayern Munich for the past three seasons, averaged 27.06m in average pass length in the Bundesliga last term.
Guardiola wants his goalkeepers to play short passes to his defenders. This isn't an overly difficult task but something that hasn't been a requirement of Hart in his time at Man City.
That Bravo is a natural in possession only adds to Hart's woes.
HART 0 BRAVO 1
GOALKEEPING SKILLS
Joe Hart:
Clean sheets: 42
Goals conceded: 100
Saves: 189
Saves per goal: 1.96
Claudio Bravo:
Clean sheets: 51
Goals conceded: 93
Saves: 227
Saves per goal: 2.93
Another category in which Hart cannot compete with Bravo. Last season, the Chilean conceded 22 goals yet still managed to make 68 saves; Hart allowed 36 goals and made 67 saves.
We've viewed Hart as a fine shot-stopper in recent years - among the finest England has produced - but compare him to Europe's best and his reputation certainly takes a hit.
HART 0 BRAVO 2
ERRORS
Joe Hart:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: eight
Claudio Bravo:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: five
Rather concerningly, mistakes have crept into Hart's game over the past year. He made four errors that led to goals for City last season and was at fault for two goals for England at Euro 2016, including allowing Gareth Bale's free-kick to swerve past him.
If City are to challenge for the Premier League, yet alone the Champions League, they're are going to need a reliable man between the sticks. It's not wrong to suggest Hart is no longer that man.
HART 0 BRAVO 3
CONCLUSION
Hart is a fine shot-stopper but the modern game requires goalkeepers who are adept with the ball at their feet. Guardiola is the biggest advocate of this, helping to evolve the position by turning Neuer into a 'sweeper-keeper' and in a decade's time we could well see goalkeepers who are as comfortable in possession as midfielders.
Though Bravo is 33, he can certainly meet Guardiola's demands for another three or four seasons while City groom his eventual replacement.
It makes perfect sense for the Citizens to buy the Barcelona man, especially for £17m. And City would even make a profit on that if they decide to sell Hart, who simply finds himself working under a management who views the goalkeeper position in an entirely unique way
malg
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Cheers. That shite at 1:43..........couldn't watch him do too much of that in a City shirt!
zeven
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True Our hearts have had enough beating over the years.Cheers. That shite at 1:43..........couldn't watch him do too much of that in a City shirt!
bumbleblue
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Is he definitely playing tonight if so Is it on the telly?
MeatHunterrr
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yep he is, ter stegen is injuredIs he definitely playing tonight if so I sit on the telly?
kaz7
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No keeper will get away with that over here,otherwise he looks goodCheers. That shite at 1:43..........couldn't watch him do too much of that in a City shirt!
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