Club Badge (merged)

Fat Chance said:
You got any links Malg? ^
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Pell not Pep ;-) said:
I don't see it that way at all. I think there has been an acceptance that the eagle badge which was implemented in 1997 was a huge mistake. There was no consultation done when that was introduced. The rose badge that was dismissed in 1997 was a firm favourite with thousands of fans...tradionalists and young bucks. I was in my late twenties and loved it. I still don't know how it managed to be lost to some copyright/license/trademark cock up enabling some third party to have the rights.
If City go back to that, the thirties badge or the 1972-1976 Coat of arms thingy then I will see it as the correcting of the mistake that needn't have happened in the first place. I pray the eagle ends up in the dustbin and City are rightfully represented with a proper mancunian badge that represents the City, the people and the Club.

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agreed,lose the red thingy
 
jimharri said:
How many more times? From what I can gather, we don't own the old badge (or at least the copyright of it) any more. It's not ours to use any more. FWIW, I would actually like to see us go back to the old badge, but it is highly unlikely that it will happen.
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Bit of a problem, sorry, with the typing there! I was trying to say if you go on the City Voice site and check out McfcManchester21`s post from 21/10/15 you will see that he has a link to an article in the MUEN wherein the alleged owner of the old badge rights claims that we can in fact use the old badge if we want to.
 
CitizenTID said:
Your point is kind of meaningless by the fact the rose is on the coat of arms. 1972 is not long ago at all in the scheme of history regarding borders. I would bet that at least half of Manchester still considers the region as lancashire. Meddling politicians doesn't change anything for me, Greater Manchester means naff all.

Saying that if its the rivers or the rose it's the rivers every time.
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I totally understand your point mate. 1972 is not a long time ago, and Manchester was in Lancashire for a very long period before that.

But although 1972 is fairly recent, I think it's important to recognise Manchester is not in Lancashire at the moment, and it won't ever be in Lancashire again in the future.

You could be right that half of Mancunians feel the city is still in Lancashire. How many of them felt that way 50 years ago? Probably 100%. How about in 50 years time? If the current trend continued, probably 0%.

As I've said in previous posts, I don't know a single Mancunian under 50 who feels part of Lancashire. I know a fair few over 50 though.

If we are picking a badge for the future, it would seem a rather odd choice to pick a Lancashire rose symbol that doesn't even represent the present or recent past, let alone the future!

I understand you feel Greater Manchester meand naff all.

But for me the badge should represent the city. Not the county it's currently in. And certainly not the county it was in 40 odd years ago.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I totally understand your point mate. 1972 is not a long time ago, and Manchester was in Lancashire for a very long period before that.

But although 1972 is fairly recent, I think it's important to recognise Manchester is not in Lancashire at the moment, and it won't ever be in Lancashire again in the future.

You could be right that half of Mancunians feel the city is still in Lancashire. How many of them felt that way 50 years ago? Probably 100%. How about in 50 years time? If the current trend continued, probably 0%.

As I've said in previous posts, I don't know a single Mancunian under 50 who feels part of Lancashire. I know a fair few over 50 though.

If we are picking a badge for the future, it would seem a rather odd choice to pick a Lancashire rose symbol that doesn't even represent the present or recent past, let alone the future!

I understand you feel Greater Manchester meand naff all.

But for me the badge should represent the city. Not the county it's currently in. And certainly not the county it was in 40 odd years ago.
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Good points. Think we're all decided it should only represent the city of Manchester anyway - that is our namesake after all.
 
jimharri said:
How many more times? From what I can gather, we don't own the old badge (or at least the copyright of it) any more. It's not ours to use any more. FWIW, I would actually like to see us go back to the old badge, but it is highly unlikely that it will happen.
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IanBishopsHaircut said:
I'm sure the old badge ownership has expired?

Besides, it's easily sidestepped...the new badge could be a more modern interpretation
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Please check on the City Voice site a post by McfcManchester21 from the 21/10/15. He gives a link to a MUEN article wherein the alleged owner of the old badge claims we can use the old badge if we want.
 
joeyh123 said:
Think you might have misunderstood my point mate, I will try to be more clear. As discussed on the BBC radio Manchester show last lots of the imagery on previous badges represent certain things from Manchester. But for me, in todays "Global Game" as it were. The club badge is no longer about the area but about the club, so for me the idea of landmarks, imagery etc is no longer needed. This is just my opinion by the way, but for me something simple with the initials MCFC and 1894 is all that is needed.
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i think you are closer to the outcome then most ,the club will take on board peoples view,but they are not changing the badge becouse a group of people on blue moon harp back to their youth,its a money spinning oppertunity,they will listen and then they will take those views,to some marketing/ advertising, whizz kids,who will then present us with their design,lets hope it pleases most of us ,
 
CitizenTID said:
Bolton is Greater Manchester which is another point why Greater Manchester means naff all and why we are all Lancashire really.

I think you and some other posters come from the modern viewpoint that Lancashire is up that way with the funny accents which is why you don't want to associate yourselves with that but that is just a part of what Lancashire used to be, so that area is no more Lancashire than we. If it was decided tomorrow by the politicians that Manchester be dissolved into Merseyside along with Warrington and everywhere else in-between, would you then argue that we should have Merseyside symbolism as oppose to Greater Manchester (if that was the symbolism on our badge previously)?

Here is the Gtr. MCR COA:

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Countys, boroughs etc. are liable to change if politicians suddenly decide to make it so, so really they don't count for anything. It's just an organisational body/authority.
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I completely disagree that we're "all Lancashire really". In what way is modern Manchester Lancashire at all?

The UK, and most of the western world is moving away from counties having much relevance, while big cities are becomming more and more important and powerful.

As farming and manufacturing, the traditional county wide industries become less important, and the service sector, knowledge industries become more important, people are moving towards big cities where the jobs and knowledge base are. There's a reason the traditional mill towns of Lancashire have had a rapid period of decline in recent decades, and big cities like Manchester have thrived.

People are moving out of provincial county towns and towards big cities where the jobs and opportunities are.

The governments devolution deal with Manchester to have more power over taxing and spending, having an accountable, elected mayor, the partnerships with big wealth funds like ADUG and Chinese investors, Manchester as a city region is thriving.

In the future Manchester is going to continue to grow and develop as a city, and the importance of Lancashire as a county to the city itself is going to become less and less important. It's not "all Lancashire really" Manchester has long moved on from that.

I understand what you mean that counties and boroughs change at a politicians whim, but MCFC doesn't represent the county, it represents the city of Manchester.

Greater Manchester is made up of 10 councils. Stockport, Bury, Bolton, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Tameside, Trafford, the city of Salford, and the city of Manchester.

The 3 river shield represent the city of Manchester only. The other 9 boroughs have their own insignia.

It's why only we were allowed to have open top parades from Manchester town hall. We represent the city, whereas that shite from Trafford do not.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I completely disagree that we're "all Lancashire really". In what way is modern Manchester Lancashire at all?

The UK, and most of the western world is moving away from counties having much relevance, while big cities are becomming more and more important and powerful.

As farming and manufacturing, the traditional county wide industries become less important, and the service sector, knowledge industries become more important, people are moving towards big cities where the jobs and knowledge base are. There's a reason the traditional mill towns of Lancashire have had a rapid period of decline in recent decades, and big cities like Manchester have thrived.

People are moving out of provincial county towns and towards big cities where the jobs and opportunities are.

The governments devolution deal with Manchester to have more power over taxing and spending, having an accountable, elected mayor, the partnerships with big wealth funds like ADUG and Chinese investors, Manchester as a city region is thriving.

In the future Manchester is going to continue to grow and develop as a city, and the importance of Lancashire as a county to the city itself is going to become less and less important. It's not "all Lancashire really" Manchester has long moved on from that.

I understand what you mean that counties and boroughs change at a politicians whim, but MCFC doesn't represent the county, it represents the city of Manchester.

Greater Manchester is made up of 10 councils. Stockport, Bury, Bolton, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Tameside, Trafford, the city of Salford, and the city of Manchester.

The 3 river shield represent the city of Manchester only. The other 9 boroughs have their own insignia.

It's why only we were allowed to have open top parades from Manchester town hall. We represent the city, whereas that shite from Trafford do not.
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Another good post mate
 
So...

What can be mocked up to represent a tip of the hat to the past, a grounding in the present that will take us to the future and represent moving away from industrial to technology...?

Perhaps an eagle driving a ship shaped Delorean with an 'MCFC' car plate spinning in flames...???!!

No chance everyone's going to happy here, no matter what happens!!
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
gary james mentioned it the other night we can use the old badge, the old "owner" says we can use it and we apparently we could have always used it.

this was the article mentioned above

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ews/manchester-city-free-change-back-10299158
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Ah, not so simple as that. Anyone who controlled the use of the badge in the way described limited City's opportunities. I've explained more in my talks, but key thing to remember is that this is about moving forwards, not back to an old badge.
 
Gary James said:
Ah, not so simple as that. Anyone who controlled the use of the badge in the way described limited City's opportunities. I've explained more in my talks, but key thing to remember is that this is about moving forwards, not back to an old badge.
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We will in my opinion incorporate features of old badges and current badge but as you say with a modern feel.

Round badge, ship, shield with rivers possibly a rose but something completely distinctively new
 
If we do change, anything other than a return to either the Rose or Rivers will leave many unhappy.

At least the Rose or Rivers have been ours before so to say and will not require justification.

My fear is we end up with some crazy collage in an attempt to satisfy all parties. Worse still poor Dr James may need to do another series of lectures trying to explain any new badge to the proletariat.
 
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