Club Badge (merged)

[George Hannah]

I went with circular, no Red Rose, lose the stars, lose the latin, keep the ship and add a few symbols of Manchester: quite like the bee and the cotton symbol. City Blue and Maroon. Indifferent about the eagle or the three rivers (which originally weren't rivers at all). Be interesting what we end up with.

Could you please explain the rivers not being originally rivers bit Wilf? The latin motto has also puzzled me (apologies to Gary if I've missed this in his contributions) but it's said this was the original motto of the club and a link with Ancient Rome. I wonder when it first appeared and whether it could also be a link with the eagles which seemed to have landed in the 60s.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Could you please explain the rivers not being originally rivers bit Wilf? The latin motto has also puzzled me (apologies to Gary if I've missed this in his contributions) but it's said this was the original motto of the club and a link with Ancient Rome. I wonder when it first appeared and whether it could also be a link with the eagles which seemed to have landed in the 60s.

It's explained fully earlier in the thread but apparently the "three rivers" were originally just a symbol from a local nobleman's coat of arms. Later they were taken to depict the three rivers but historically they had no connection.

 

[Shaelumstash]

It's explained fully earlier in the thread but apparently the "three rivers" were originally just a symbol from a local nobleman's coat of arms. Later they were taken to depict the three rivers but historically they had no connection.

Gary actually said that although the crest originally came from the De Grelley CoA, it's quite pausible that the 3 stripes represent the 3 rivers. There's certainly no evidence that they don't.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Could you please explain the rivers not being originally rivers bit Wilf? The latin motto has also puzzled me (apologies to Gary if I've missed this in his contributions) but it's said this was the original motto of the club and a link with Ancient Rome. I wonder when it first appeared and whether it could also be a link with the eagles which seemed to have landed in the 60s.

I'm pretty sure the latin motto bit was invented by a Kappa graphic designer in 1997, mate.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Gary actually said that although the crest originally came from the De Grelley CoA, it's quite pausible that the 3 stripes represent the 3 rivers. There's certainly no evidence that they don't.

I buy into the three rivers. Just hope they have no connection with the brand with three stripes.

 

[ComfySeats]

United have a badge that only represents their club and has no connection to Manchester. What you`re saying
is we should follow their example and think only of "global branding".
Personally I think what attracts people to us is the fact that we are different as a club, we have a strong
connection to our roots. Skt. Pauli is a big club in Germany without selling its soul. Barcelona have
done well for themselves worldwide despite having an ancient looking badge. There are many clubs that are successful that have meaningful badges to their local support without the badge having to be "modernised".
If you want to give the finger to the rest of the world then surely pushing for a badge that singles you out
as a Mancunian would be better than pushing for a badge that merely makes you a "global customer"?

Don't understand why some fans are obsessed with the scum, not once have they come into my thinking with regards to the badge so I have no idea why you have chosen to single that point out.
As for the rest of you statement, that's the whole point of the badge consultation to put your opinions out there and them be considered, surely you understood my comment about a badge giving the middle finger was tounge in cheek.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Gary actually said that although the crest originally came from the De Grelley CoA, it's quite pausible that the 3 stripes represent the 3 rivers. There's certainly no evidence that they don't.

Okay, I didn't read that bit so maybe they do? I'm pretty indifferent about them to be honest as I am about the eagle. I'd really like to lose the stars though which are a meaningless embarrassment and don't want the red rose back. If we want a symbol to represent the region I quite like the cotton symbol: it doesn't exclude people south of the Mersey and it distinguishes Manchester from Liverpool.

 

[aguero93:20]

I'm pretty sure the latin motto bit was invented by a Kappa graphic designer in 1997, mate.

I highly doubt that but even if so that's no reason to get rid of it, it's a good motto.

 

[George Hannah]

Gary actually said that although the crest originHisoryally came from the De Grelley CoA, it's quite pausible that the 3 stripes represent the 3 rivers. There's certainly no evidence that they don't.

I've just read the article in question and I think that it's actually quite misleading in its remarks about armorial bindings. My own family's heraldic achievement in the 1560s included parrots in the design as a canting allusion to the family name of Perrot. The original blazon choice of 3 bendlets could well have been influenced by three rivers in the de Grelley lands. In any case the key point is that when City first started using the lines the Council believed they represented the three rivers. On that basis the retention of the rivers motif should be treated accordingly.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/4...anchester_city_council_crest_in_to_the_future

 

[George Hannah]

I highly doubt that but even if so that's no reason to get rid of it, it's a good motto.

if your taste is for bellicosity and the celebration of two deadly sins I can see its attraction - but hardly good is it?

 

[aguero93:20]

if your taste is for bellicosity and the celebration of two deadly sins I can see its attraction - but hardly good is it?

You should check out Gillingham's.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Having followed this thread from the start i would suggest the consensus is breaking down as follows:

Want:
Simple Round Badage.
Crest including the 3 ‘rivers’ and the ship. (drop the M.C.F.C.).
Full club title in the outer circle.
Reference to 1984

People keep mentioning / but no majority support for
ST Marks / Maltese cross
The latin bit
The eagle
The rose
A bee
Three stars
Other weird stuff

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Having followed this thread from the start i would suggest the consensus is breaking down as follows:

Want:
Simple Round Badage.
Crest including the 3 ‘rivers’ and the ship. (drop the M.C.F.C.).
Full club title in the outer circle.
Reference to 1984

People keep mentioning / but no majority support for
ST Marks / Maltese cross
The latin bit
The eagle
The rose
A bee
Three stars
Other weird stuff

I admire your commitment to this!

We should go with the consensus. Keep it simple and don't include anything that half the people want but that the other half oppose. Less is often more.

 

[George Hannah]

You should check out Gillingham's.

they wanted to retain it after 1993 but the advocates were shouted down apparently.

 

[aguero93:20]

Having followed this thread from the start i would suggest the consensus is breaking down as follows:

Want:
The eagle
Simple Round Badage.
Crest including the 3 ‘rivers’ and the ship. (drop the M.C.F.C.).
Full club title in the outer circle.
Reference to 1984

People keep mentioning / but no majority support for
ST Marks / Maltese cross
The latin bit
The rose
A bee
Three stars
Other weird stuff

Fixed.

 

[Shaelumstash]

I highly doubt that but even if so that's no reason to get rid of it, it's a good motto.

This is the club's official press release from 1997:

“Manchester City Football Club would like to announce that they have commissioned a new crest to replace the round badge that has only existed since 1974. The new club crest is based on elements from the original “Arms of the City of Manchester”, the crest which is still used by Manchester City PLC today and worn on the team shirt for all Wembley occasions. It retains the original shield set against an eagle taken from the Badge of the City of Manchester, dating from 1957, also originally found on the City of Manchester Crest, on the ribbon flowing from the knight’s helmet. Below the shield is the new club motto “Superbia In Proelio”, a Latin phrase translating to “Pride in Battle”. The three stars above the eagle constitute a design element that relate a more continental feel to the design“.

Happy to be proven wrong if you've got evidence to the contrary.

 

[aguero93:20]

This is the club's official press release from 1997:

“Manchester City Football Club would like to announce that they have commissioned a new crest to replace the round badge that has only existed since 1974. The new club crest is based on elements from the original “Arms of the City of Manchester”, the crest which is still used by Manchester City PLC today and worn on the team shirt for all Wembley occasions. It retains the original shield set against an eagle taken from the Badge of the City of Manchester, dating from 1957, also originally found on the City of Manchester Crest, on the ribbon flowing from the knight’s helmet. Below the shield is the new club motto “Superbia In Proelio”, a Latin phrase translating to “Pride in Battle”. The three stars above the eagle constitute a design element that relate a more continental feel to the design“.

Happy to be proven wrong if you've got evidence to the contrary.

[sarcasm]After reading that I bow to your superior knowledge and irrefutable proof that it was indeed the work of a Kappa graphic designer as clearly stated in this press release [/sarcasm]

 

[waspish]

I admire your commitment to this!

We should go with the consensus. Keep it simple and don't include anything that half the people want but that the other half oppose. Less is often more.

And make most fans disliking it?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I admire your commitment to this!

We should go with the consensus. Keep it simple and don't include anything that half the people want but that the other half oppose. Less is often more.

I like to think we will get something simple and instantly recognisable as a Man City badge. What I would hate is the cover it in glue and throw all the various elements at it type approach many seem to want.

The badge doesn’t need to be a historical document at the end of the day it’s just a badge and simple badges are the best (IMO).

 

[aguero93:20]

I like to think we will get something simple and instantly recognisable as a Man City badge. What I would hate is the cover it in glue and throw all the various elements at it type approach many seem to want.

The badge doesn’t need to be a historical document at the end of the day it’s just a badge and simple badges are the best (IMO).

Something like this with 'Manchester City Football Club' in a ring around it;