Club Statement (Mancini sacked) (Cont)

[Sigh]

so he did nothing for us at all?come on now

I didn't say that so there's no need to put words in my mouth. I said that he was sacked for being rude, arrogant, and impossible to work with or deal with. Those aren't the traits you want in a manager of a winning football club. Mancini was warned about all this last summer and asked to tone it down and try and communicate better with his players and the others at the club. He went down the opposite route and simply became even more difficult. In the end it fucked the season.

read your last paragraph,he was doing what was best for him

No, you read it, don't read into it.

Billy didn't write "he did nothing for us", he wrote "Roberto Mancini was trying to do what's best for Roberto Mancini."

 

[Anonymous]

Well,well,well !!! How nice and refreshing to hear from Dave ?? Sky Reporter who has been living outside the teams hotel in London,ref Bobbys bashing of Vicky K.
He stated that eveyone knew that it wasn`t her doing of keeping schtum,but that of the main people in Abu Dhabi.
Will anyone have the balls to admit that VK wasn`t the correct scapegoat,but obviously our Owner and/or Khaldoon ? Of course you wont !! It wouldn`t be football to condone those two would it !!

I'd absolutely condemn the way everyone in the club involved in this has handled it. That includes the owner, the chairman, CEO, DoF, Director of Comms and the manager - none of whom come out of this particularly covered in glory.

Why? How do you sack a guy who everyone hates, who no one wants to deal with, and who basically refuses to acknowledge the authority of those he works with? Their intention was to keep it under wraps. It leaked in Spain. They dealt with it.

Again, some fucking revisionist nonsense going on. Last Friday afternoon this forum was awash with people commending City for keeping schtum, for not feeding the rumour mill, and also for making sure that in the run up to the FA Cup nobody was writing about Mancini and his future in the British press.

Four days later he's been sacked. Whatever the rights and wrongs of sacking him, in hindsight I'm not sure what else the club could've done. Mancini's been challenging them to sack him in the press for nigh on six months now. He had every opportunity to ask Khaldoun on Friday night "am I in danger of getting sacked?". Yet he played the victim in his press conference like his life depended on it when he knew what was coming.

Mancini's played a blinder here because it's only the club getting it in the neck. Everyone needs to pause and ask themselves if Khaldoun's strikes you as the kind of person who'd just sack Mancini on a whim because him and Txiki don't see eye to eye. This was a long time coming in the eyes of many at City. His popularity with the fans was irrelevant when his popularity at the club was so low.

It leaked in Spain and dealt with it in a way that, imho, was pretty poor. Plenty of posts about this already so I'll not repeat. needless to say putting something out that refocuses on the FA Cup Final shouldn't have been to difficult for a set of professionals in that field. That should have been sanctioned by the top brass - after all we are told so often that the Abu Dhabi way is about saving face and protecting the image. I've seen no evidence of that from anyone in this particular situation.

Badly handled, badly managed.

Please note, I've included Mancini in the original post, so no defence of him in all this either.

 

[BobKowalski]

I have to say I'm amazed at the number of people making some pretty outlandish and ridiculous assertions. The next manager will be no more of a "yes" man to Txiki and Ferran than Mancini was to Cook and Marwood. The "holistic approach" of which the club have spoken will be simply about having a manager who understands what AD are trying to do with the entire club and how all aspects of the infrastructure will need to work together.

It's not because Mancini isn't a warm and cuddly fuzzy bear who hugs his players twice a week that he got the sack. It's because he's an ignorant, arrogant, poor man manager, who looks down his nose at everyone from the tea lady to the kit men to the players to the executives.

Really is time some of you read the writing on the wall. Roberto Mancini effectively got himself sacked by not heeding last summer's warnings about his relationships with the other people at the club. The criticism of Txiki, Khaldoun, and Ferran on the forum has been an utter disgrace when all three are trying to do what's best for MCFC whilst by all accounts Roberto Mancini was trying to do what's best for Roberto Mancini.

Txiki and Ferran are getting it in the neck for the inept way this has been handled and for allowing a media shitstorm to overshadow the FA Cup final. It left a sour taste and provided an unwelcome backdrop to what turned out to be a depressing game.

So yes. Txiki and Ferran are not flavour of the month especially when you consider and I quote "..Ferran Soriano as City’s chief executive; an individual who is something of a management theory anorak, has written a book on the subject and who happens to have a bit of a bee in his bonnet about executives keeping stuff behind closed doors."

I guess Txiki skipped that part when he got the book for Christmas...

I think Mancini got a healthy dose of his own arrogance and medicine. I suspect had he been a little less of a twat to everyone and had even one or two allies outside Khaldoun, maybe his departure would've been handled differently. As it is, Mancini refused to deal with Txiki. Who in turn clearly decided to go find a manager he could deal with.

Whichever way you slice this loaf, Mancini got what the people who know him at the club thought he deserved. Criticism of Txiki and Ferran is just emotional fanboy nonsense. But then, it's of little surprise to anyone who's read this forum in the last six months.

How the affair was handled has nothing to do with how they or anyone else felt about Mancini. I expect Ferran and Txiki to handle the transistion to a new manager as smoothly as possible and not have it plastered over every media outlet 24 hours before an important Cup Final. They have a duty of care in how they conduct business and that duty of care extends to the owners, employees of the club and us as fans.

So don't let your 'fan boy' emotion blind you to mistakes made by Txiki and Ferran. And besides you know I supported the appointment of the Barca boys and still do. It was the right move and I never rated the chances of them getting on with Mancini that highly either but what happened on Saturday still pisses me off and will do for a while. It should and could have been avoided.

 

[oakiecokie]

Well,well,well !!! How nice and refreshing to hear from Dave ?? Sky Reporter who has been living outside the teams hotel in London,ref Bobbys bashing of Vicky K.
He stated that eveyone knew that it wasn`t her doing of keeping schtum,but that of the main people in Abu Dhabi.
Will anyone have the balls to admit that VK wasn`t the correct scapegoat,but obviously our Owner and/or Khaldoon ? Of course you wont !! It wouldn`t be football to condone those two would it !!

I must be alone in not really caring although technically a scapegoat is someone who carries the can for someone else's mistakes or actions. So I guess Vicky was the correct scapegoat after all.

Mancini's attack on Vicky was a coded attack on the owners although having read what he actually said it was less of a savage attack and more a way of making a point without actually attacking the owners. Plus he probably thinks Vicky is useless so two birds with one stone and all that.

For what its worth I think Vicky does a good job but I can't get really worked up about this either way

This was aimed at those posters who had to find a scapegoat but got it completely wrong.I have yet to see anyone blame either HH or Khaldoon !! Certain people do not understand the level of order of command and this is exactly where David ?? (Sky Presenter) was coming from,ref Bobbys rage at her,when in effect the blackout was controlled by Abu Dhabi and not directly her.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

What I love about this is the way that the cabal go on about Mancini's arrogance. This is exactly the trait they most exemplify. Years of condescension lavished on other posters.

Anyway it is all done and dusted now and I look forward to their continued love in with Txiki and Ferran when it all goes pear shaped.

For the record I am aware that Mancini is not the greatest manager in the world but he took over a club with a conspicuous absence of success with a hostile press on his back from word go. He won two trophies in 3 years and his departure should have been handled a lot better than it has been.

Maybe it should have been handled but you as a 4 year old wouldn't have handled it any better.

You are 4 aren't you. Otherwise I can't see any reason for your hissy about when it all goes pear shaped. Bet your real proud your wishing ill on the club

 

[kaz7]

I didn't say that so there's no need to put words in my mouth. I said that he was sacked for being rude, arrogant, and impossible to work with or deal with. Those aren't the traits you want in a manager of a winning football club. Mancini was warned about all this last summer and asked to tone it down and try and communicate better with his players and the others at the club. He went down the opposite route and simply became even more difficult. In the end it fucked the season.

read your last paragraph,he was doing what was best for him

No, you read it, don't read into it.

Billy didn't write "he did nothing for us", he wrote "Roberto Mancini was trying to do what's best for Roberto Mancini."

i am very happy with how i read it thank you,the barca boys were doing the best for the club whilst he was doing what was best for himself,i dont agree

 

[PragueBlue]

Roberto Mancini effectively got himself sacked by not heeding last summer's warnings about his relationships with the other people at the club.

If the club really weren't happy with Mancini last Summer, then the powers that be were rather stupid in giving him a new 5-year contract, weren't they?

 

[Sigh]

The juvenile sublimating continues...if the buck stops anywhere, it stops at the top. So name his name and stop using the middle men he employs to avoid what you know isn't going to wash.

I'll stick with an imperfect person called Mansour who seems to think the club is more important than your precious hero and egos. Really not good sign of mental health to identify with strangers as though you actually have a relationship.

 

[oakiecokie]

Roberto Mancini effectively got himself sacked by not heeding last summer's warnings about his relationships with the other people at the club.

If the club really weren't happy with Mancini last Summer, then the powers that be were rather stupid in giving him a new 5-year contract, weren't they?

If I remember correctly this was covered in a fine post from PB,who gave us an insight as to the reasons behind an extended contract.

 

[steve1]

To be honest it doesn't surprise me one bit that Mancini has gone. Take the Balotelli incident for instance. Fighting at the training camp? why did this go on? where was the discipline?. The soft touch is no good if you want to be a Manager. I sincerely hope the next Manager that arrives at Etihad Stadium has more authority and uses the take no sh*t attitude or it's back to the drawing board unfortunately.