Cole Palmer

[thismeansfour]

He was extremely promising, and was great in the community shield just before we sold, and you simply don't know how players will develop if they are given a chance to shine. I doubt anyone would have looked at Rico Lewis before he broke through and said he was at the level he now is either...

Great in the community shield? Don't let a great goal fool you that there was a great performance. He actually played better in the super cup not long after where he played a decent amount of minutes. He was given a chance and was in our first team for 3 plus years wasn't it. Pep got to see him every day in training. Palmer never set the world alight in his many chances for us and for the reasons I have already explained. I have no clue what you are trying to compare with Lewis, I actually think if he went elsewhere he would look ten times the player too.

 

[thismeansfour]

Palmer is the one that got away. We don’t make many mistakes but this was a big one. There is no point us fans being in denial. At the moment Palmer is fantastic. He would walk into our team ahead of players like Doku or Savinho. We just have to accept it and move on.

That's funny as Cole had numerous chances in them wide positions and churned out performances on par with them. He clearly is better in the middle than wide, and against teams that give you space to express yourself.

 

[bobom]

Great in the community shield? Don't let a great goal fool you that there was a great performance. He actually played better in the super cup not long after where he played a decent amount of minutes. He was given a chance and was in our first team for 3 plus years wasn't it. Pep got to see him every day in training. Palmer never set the world alight in his many chances for us and for the reasons I have already explained. I have no clue what you are trying to compare with Lewis, I actually think if he went elsewhere he would look ten times the player too.

I'm not sure what points you are trying to make? That he had the talent and Pep didn't spot it, despite training with him every day? Or that he wasn't that good until he magically transformed at Chelsea? Neither seem very likely.

What seems fairly clear is that he had enormous talent, that the club will have known this, that he wanted to progress his career quicker than Pep was happy to support, and the club felt it was better to cash in for £40m. In retrospect, the club significantly undervalued him and an appropriate valuation might not have resulted in his moving, that's all. What part of that do you disagree with?

 

[thismeansfour]

I'm not sure what points you are trying to make? That he had the talent and Pep didn't spot it, despite training with him every day? Or that he wasn't that good until he magically transformed at Chelsea? Neither seem very likely.

What seems fairly clear is that he had enormous talent, that the club will have known this, that he wanted to progress his career quicker than Pep was happy to support, and the club felt it was better to cash in for £40m. In retrospect, the club significantly undervalued him and an appropriate valuation might not have resulted in his moving, that's all. What part of that do you disagree with?

No, he had talent of course. Enough to break into our side? Clearly not. If you don't see the differences in how a team plays against Chelsea and how they play against us then I can't help you there. 40M for a player who has been in our first team a few years, whilst largely playing averagely when called upon was great business. There was not one person concerned with the fee, everybody I know thought we ripped Chelsea off. Also it was a surprise to many that it was Chelsea who signed him, when he was largely linked to the likes of Brighton. He has left, his shackles are off, he doesn't have to be disciplined or defend and can do what he wants, and centrally. He also doesn't play against ten men behind the ball all game, every game. He didn't play one game for us anywhere near the level he is showing now. Fair play to the lad, had he stayed he would have carried on doing what he was doing, considering he was average for us whilst in the first team, there is zero to suggest otherwise.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That's funny as Cole had numerous chances in them wide positions and churned out performances on par with them. He clearly is better in the middle than wide, and against teams that give you space to express yourself.

Palmer is a great player in my view. I think he can play in multiple positions and will only get better. Just one of those things. He plays with his head up and is very composed under pressure. These are rare talents in English players.

 

[jamesha]

He's still unproven, and I have no idea why people are hyping him up. I keep hearing pundits talking about how he can be considered as the best in the EPL, what complete nonsense. He had 42 goal contributions in the EPL since the start of last season? well big whoop.. he's playing for Chelsea surrounded by average players so of course he will look good, and almost all his goals come from penalties.

He's still unproven in the big games, he hasn't played in the champions league. Who cares if he scored in the final at euros, playing for country is different than playing for club. Also his hattrick against man utd doesn't mean much as they are no where near to be considered a top team.

There's a reason why Southgate didn't start him in the Euros, it's because Palmer is still unproven, sure he might be good in a few years, but right now it's just pure hype. Pep made the right move by getting rid of him and not sending him out on loan like he wanted. City will continue winning titles without Palmer.

Sure Palmer is a good player, but is he an elite player? The answer is no. If he was an elite player then Pep wouldn't have sold him. I wish people would stop crying about Palmer and move on.

"Pep made the right move by getting rid of him" - lol. Ask any City fan if they wish he was still at the club and the honest answer will be yes. Pep has sold elite players before - Ibrahimovic for example although he is a colossal bell-end who would not play to Pep's system so easier to understand.
I think selling Palmer will prove to be as big a mistake as Mourinho selling Salah and KdB but I understand why it happened and Pep and co. have plenty of credit in the bank.
What is frustrating is that we will never get to see how Palmer could have played in this City team. His accurate finishing could have been a valuable weapon against low block teams.
You are correct that we need to move on and we have lots of exciting youngsters who will hopefully develop into regular players and win trophies whilst Palmer is effectively stuck at Chelsea for the rest of his career unless one of the giants of the game breaks the bank to sign him. The FFP/PSR rules make that difficult to envisage but they might not be relevant in the near future.

 

[Shirley]

Spilt milk…crying…get over it and move on

 

[halfcenturyup]

Spilt milk…crying…get over it and move on

The oracle has spoken. Close the thread.

 

[Blue Tooth]

Palmer is currently a stand out performer in a team that is winning nothing.
Before that he was an average player in a team winning everything.

Horses for courses.

Good luck to him.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Palmer is currently a stand out performer in a team that is winning nothing.
Before that he was an average player in a team winning everything.

Horses for courses.

Good luck to him.

He was an academy graduate being played out of position on the left. He was never getting minutes in the middle or on the right competing against Foden, De Bruyne, Mahrez and Bernardo. That’s why he left. You could say it was bad timing but buying Doku and letting Palmer leave was a fuck up but its done now.