Colin Shindler in the Mail

BrianW said:
Be interesting to see, when we reach a Cup Final, if Mr Shindler's high moral principles will keep him away. I suspect not, that he'll be there in the best seats along with all the other fat, smug, establishment arseholes, telling everyone that he supported City when he was an embryo and writing articles about how great it is to succeed after so many years of 'pain'.

As an old(ish) gimmer myself, I'd like to go back to the glory days of 67/68, when football was nearer to real life. But it's impossible. The world has moved on and we have to move on with it. We have to do what we have to do to compete, it's high time that the several generations who have grown up since the 1970s got to see some success. Nostalgia has its place. So does realism.

Totally agree, I don't doubt Shindler's original credentials as a blue are genuine but he's lost his way ever since he started putting rag-slanted titles to his books for purely commercial purposes - and then he has the brass neck to moan about football's commercialism!

Ironically the first 2 City matches I saw as a kid were the 2 legs of the Youth Cup semi-final against the rags in 1964, which Shindler wrote about and chose to call the book "George Best and 21 others" - a fucking liberty for a City fan to do that when the "others" included Mike Doyle and Glyn Pardoe!!
 
Plus the article does seem to have racist overtones. His distaste for the Abu Dabi ownership is not given a reason but he seems to want to qualify his non-racsist stance early on by saying he was a Jew who hero-worshipped Bert Trautmann. Yet he refers to Trautmann as an "ex Nazi" and I can find no text anywhere that shows this to be the case. Yes he was a German Paratrooper but that in no way makes him a Nazi. The whole article leaves me with a bitter taste.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Fuzzmaster101 said:
Yet he refers to Trautmann as an "ex Nazi" and I can find no text anywhere that shows this to be the case.
It's Daily Mail don't forget. According to them all Germans are Nazis. Just because they don't wear the uniform doesn't mean they don't still want to take us over.

Ironically the Mail was owned by Nazi sympathisers pre-WW2, not that you'd ever guess from it's content nowadays. [/irony]
 
There are a certain type of City "fan" who seemed to revell in our ineptitude. It's as if they wore our innate shiteness as a badge of honour. "Yeah, but I supported us in League One" or "I've been around since Swales destroyed the club in the 1980's". It's as if they enjoy being able to claim, despite the poor standard of football on display and the complete lack of professionalism shown by the chairman and directors, they follow the club. Our current situation has come about so fast, and is so alien to most City fans, that they are struggling to cope. They feel the club they knew no longer exists, and in a way their right. What they're failing to grasp is the reason it doesn't exist is that it has transformed itself into an altogether better entity. We are now run with professionalism and ability, we have finances that we could never have dreamed of, and we're doing what every other club wishes they could, building for success.

People like Shindler can't, and won't, get it. They pine for the "good old days" when they could cling to City's failures juxtaposed with their loyalty and use it to bolster their pride. They can't see past their own nostalgic views and recognise that City are a football club that has embraced the modern game. We have found the only way open to football teams in the modern era to become competitive, and that's to court investment on a huge scale. Shinawatra wasn't the best solution, he came with bravado and promises he couldn't actually deliver. However his tenure wasn't totally unsuccessful and I'm in no doubt without him we wouldn't be in our current situation. ADUG are the perfect owners, financial solvent (in the extreme), socially aware, historically respectful and professionally qualified. Some may find their spending to be uncouth, but that attitude is either monumentally naive or stupendously jealous depending on the source.

One has to wonder whether Mr Shindler would have been so veciferous in his distain for our recent developments had Manchester City been purchased by a stunningly wealthy British businessman. Keeping everything else the same, the professionalism, the financial clout and the respectful nature with which the fans have been treated but having multi-billionnaire "John Smith" as the owner and I feel confident in saying Mr Shindler's perspective may be somewhat different.

I'm not saying his standpoint is inherently anti-muslim, which would be easy to do given his religious background, I'm saying it's the well known British trait of being distrusting of anything that isn't the same as us. It could have been a Middle Eastern company, and American company or an East Asian company that took control of City and I believe Mr Shindler would have had similar issues to those he currently has. He's of the opinion that English football clubs should be run by English football owners, and he's not the only one. Sepp Blatter too has expressed his dissatisfaction with the foreign ownership of English clubs. British law has no control over the nationality of who can own a British company, this is not the same in Italy, Spain, Germany etc where over 50% of a domestically based and registered company must be owned by domestic entities.

Essentially Shindler is living in the past, he can't progress as he's too set in his own ways and, as with a number of members of the older generation, he's also ever so slightly bigotted. He'd never admit it mind.
 
I liked and could relate to the bit about the blue shirts and pristine white shorts at the start, but after that I just got bored and thought to myself how hard it would be to try to read that book he wrote about the club with United's name in the title. He seems to encapsulate perfectly the stereotypical view of the club from 10 or 11 years ago, ie "We're rubbish, yes, but aren' we lovely, loyal fans? And we wouldn't want our team to be any other way..." Well, Mr. Shindler, I can tell you that I was as proud as anyone of the way us blues stuck by our team in those dark times, and have kept the book "Down Among the Dead Men With Manchester City" by Mark Hodkinson as a permanent reminder, can remember so vividly those dark afternoons against Macclesfield and Northampton, wondering if that crap was ever going to end, but I can also tell you that I would not swap our current position for that of ANY OTHER CLUB IN THE WORLD. As much as I would rather forget his time with us, I'll never forget Stuart Pearce, as honest a football man as they come, saying after a 3-0 defeat at Chelsea "We just couldn't get the ball off them." Just when it looked as though the Top Four and their ilk on the continent were going to continue to share the spoils from here to eternity, taking the piss against inferior opposition week in, week out, something happened. BANG! We were taken over. By ADUG. People with untold wealth, people who KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, people who have the best interests of the club at heart. A bright young British manager and a growing squad of mostly good young pros of international calibre (many world class). And guess what - the SAME great fans, the ones who were there 11 years ago, the ones who backed the team, AND the ones who perfectly complement the present team and the present owners. But guess what, Mr Shindler - they don't include you.
 
Shindler is undoubtedly a clever man, I have enjoyed a good deal of his work but this article is extremely poor and sucks up to his anti-City media buddies.
If Shindler truly understood what it meant to be blue he would be shouting from the rooftops with joy at recent events. We all have our memories of the bad times with just the occasional glimmer of hope. Great expectations inevitably followed with desperate cries of 'typical City!'
My Dad is around Shindlers age and fortunate enough to have seen the glory days of the late sixties, the only silverware in my time came when I was 8 and we won the League cup and my old fella didn't bloomin take me!! Thanks Dad.
Since then I've followed City everywhere and insisted my two now teenage lads do the same, and I'm very proud of their passion and love for our club.
The mere thought of standing shoulder to shoulder with my Dad, Sons and friends as City enjoy a sustained period of success is simply tantalising.
For even the chance of that becoming a reality we should to a man be eternally thankful and perhaps more importantly, respectful to the Sheikh.
Shindler enjoys a privileged position not allowed to most in that his thoughts and opinions can be given a public stage, he has let himself down by missing the opportunity to have a go back at the disgraceful gutter press our wealth has attracted, but more than that he has let down every true City fan everywhere and I would suggest he buggers off to Salford and lets Manchester United really ruin his life.
 
Several years ago there was also a TV programme to go in tandem with his launch of 'Man U** blah blah blah' I know a few people who at the time were asked to go on the programme and give their take. However their take was if the persons concerned would moan consistently about the rags and have the same mindset as Schindler. Not surprisingly they declined on the grounds that he basically wanted them to appear as the typical 'bitter blues' so he could then turn round and say 'told you so, everyone's like me'............but we're not Colin, far from it.
 
1_barry_conlon said:
Several years ago there was also a TV programme to go in tandem with his launch of 'Man U** blah blah blah' I know a few people who at the time were asked to go on the programme and give their take. However their take was if the persons concerned would moan consistently about the rags and have the same mindset as Schindler. Not surprisingly they declined on the grounds that he basically wanted them to appear as the typical 'bitter blues' so he could then turn round and say 'told you so, everyone's like me'............but we're not Colin, far from it.

I forgot about that program but now I remember.

I am one of the few who can understand the blatant commercialism in using Utd in his book titles.

A book about City has about 250K people on G Manchester as it's target market. A general football book could be bought by anyone.

I can forgive him that, as it's his livelihood.

But this article is totally out of touch with being a City fan. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it, but there's something hugely irritating about his inferiority complex.

I wonder how long before Simon Hatonstone does a similar one?
 

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