Commission on Race & Ethnic Disparities

[The perfect fumble]

Depends on your outlook and family experiences. If you are HK Chinese forced to flee or a Ugandan Asian who's family was booted out by Idi Amin your family background could have gone from well off to very poor on arrival here and as a result instead of enjoying the fruits of 100 years or more amassed wealth in your homeland you rock up here doing low paid work - most of the people behind this report and who welcomed it come from a background of accrued family wealth. If they fell on hard times they could rely on their peers and friends to get them back on their feet - a stranger in another country who looks and speaks differently to the people already there doesn't get that leg up.

Mate, you and I don't disagree on much, but you're embarrassing yourself here.

We could play the depends game all day long, why can't you accept that if you're born in to a family without a pot to piss in, that's the game changer?

I think I know why you're having difficulty. Anti-racists say that whenever they want to talk about race, the people in power want to talk about class, coz the powerful don't want to talk about race. That might be true, but that doesn't make the people in power wrong, it makes them right for the wrong reasons.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Mate, you and I don't disagree on much, but you're embarrassing yourself here.

We could play the depends game all day long, why can't you accept that if you're born in to a family without a pot to piss in, that's the game changer?

I think I know why you're having difficulty. Anti-racists say that whenever they want to talk about race, the people in power want to talk about class, coz the powerful don't want to talk about race. That might be true, but that doesn't make the people in power wrong, it makes them right for the wrong reasons.

I went to a school with a lad who was HK Chinese - his family owned toy factories in HK and were very wealthy but had to leave - his dad ended up cooking in a Chinese takeaway and living over the shop in Middleton. He knew he had no chance of ever seeing the life he had known as a young kid again once they were in the UK. It wasn't a lack of entrepreneurial spirit from his dad it was a lack of opportunity afforded to him - the bank would lend him peanuts to run a chippy but said he was too much of a risk to borrow to open a warehouse on Stakehill to import from HK despite all his contacts there. They trusted a Chinese man to make and sell beef green peppers but not get back into an industry he was well versed in......

 

[BobKowalski]

The Commission‘s report is imploding on an hourly basis :)

‘A Sage sub-group paper on coronavirus deaths and ethnicity was omitted from the race commission's report, despite being submitted in evidence by the Department for Health and Social Care.’

The Race Commission left out “inconvenient evidence” on Covid-19 deaths, claims insider

A Sage paper on ethnic minority coronavirus deaths was omitted from the report, despite being submitted as evidence by the Department of Health and Social Care.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[The perfect fumble]

I went to a school with a lad who was HK Chinese - his family owned toy factories in HK and were very wealthy but had to leave - his dad ended up cooking in a Chinese takeaway and living over the shop in Middleton. He knew he had no chance of ever seeing the life he had known as a young kid again once they were in the UK. It wasn't a lack of entrepreneurial spirit from his dad it was a lack of opportunity afforded to him - the bank would lend him peanuts to run a chippy but said he was too much of a risk to borrow to open a warehouse on Stakehill to import from HK despite all his contacts there. They trusted a Chinese man to make and sell beef green peppers but not get back into an industry he was well versed in......

Then a workers bank, underwritten by the government, that provides start up loans for aspiring working class people, who have little or no capital for a private bank to take the risk, would help your mate and everybody else without a pot to piss in, regardless of ethnicity.

A BAME bank would not.

 

[bluethrunthru]

ha ha ha

 

[Vic]

Makes you wonder why we have independent enquiries in this country. We should just do what we're told by those who shout loudest.

That would be the government with its compliant media.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Then a workers bank, underwritten by the government, that provides start up loans for aspiring working class people, who have little or no capital for a private bank to take the risk, would help your mate and everybody else without a pot to piss in, regardless of ethnicity.

A BAME bank would not.

I wasn't suggesting a BAME bank - about the same time my ex-brother-in-law got lots of easy funding as a Thatcherite working class lad about to make good - ex-Rugby League pro they thought he was just the man to run a chain of pubs but he changed his mind and went into video rental shops - bankrupt inside 3 years ( being married to my mental case of a sister may have had some bearing on matters ) - I was simply pointing out that historically your face has had to fit to get on in life

 

[jma]

Quite interesting (and by interesting, I mean cynical) that the authors of this report adjust the focus to the equally unjust and staggeringly obvious fact that social class has a huge impact on your opportunities in life.

But why that is the main headline from a report on racism in the UK is baffling. Well, it's not baffling is it? It's a distraction tactic.

If you don't want to answer hard questions about one topic, talk about another fault in society that people can't really disagree with.

It's like the conclusion of a report into VAR being "forget VAR as we conclude that it's not as bad as Mike Riley, Lee Mason and Anthony Taylor lying about their support of Manchester United."

Yes, we know about these rags and that should be addressed. But we asked you about VAR.

A shameful, deliberate shifting of the focus and manipulating of public reactions here. They know that the immediate reaction of many will be "Yeah, social class does have a huge impact, I agree. Anyone who doesn't like this report must therefore be mad."

Utterly cynical. They would have got away with it too but just forgot that people don't tend to like their name included in a academically flawed pile of shit.

 

[Vic]

Always makes me laugh when people use "lived experiences" rather than "anecdotally" to make things seem like they carry more weight.

They're opposites, surely.

 

[eyalluvitt]

That's true. That's what the report said.

Which big gun politician is leading with that? What policy recommendations did they make?

I'm not getting at you, we both know there's no policy recommendations, no leading politician is talking about that.

Racism and division is a huge media led industry, lots of numpties make/steal a living from stirring the pot, in reality, the vast majority of us just rub along together and respect our differences.