And my reply is that the above is not a solution, it is an aspiration. Look what happened to all of the major socialist and communist economies which had similar aspirations. How is pay for the unskilled in Poland these days?My "opinion" is that cheap labour is morally unethical and needs to end.
That's all my argument has been.
No, but most people are doing OK. And we have been through 10 years of austerity and slow growth, so hardly surprising most are not rolling in it. A few - in proportionate terms - are really struggling. And they should have voted Labour. "For the few, not for the many" as their slogan should have read.Bully for them, it's not the case everywhere, especially Northern England.
Even in Northern England it's not most young people struggling to pay the rent, some yes. Not most.Bully for them, it's not the case everywhere, especially Northern England.
I'm not advocating for a socialist style economy.And my reply is that the above is not a solution, it is an aspiration. Look what happened to all of the major socialist and communist economies which had similar aspirations. How is pay for the unskilled in Poland these days?
My "opinion" is that cheap labour is morally unethical and needs to end.
That's all my argument has been.
Wow...Even in Northern England it's not most young people struggling to pay the rent, some yes. Not most.
What's that got to do with anything.Do what ?Wow...
And 90% of people in Scotland don't want to leave the UK. See I can do it too.
I'm not advocating for a socialist style economy.
Do you think;
A) People on low wages are paid just right.
B) People should be paid to cover the cost of living (meaning an increase)
C) People on low wages should be paid much more
For the record, my opinion is B.
If your view is C, i'd agree, that's not sustainable. If it is A, we have nothing to discuss further as we won't agree.
Trust me, a lot of young people did, and with attitudes like that, they will continue to do so.No, but most people are doing OK. And we have been through 10 years of austerity and slow growth, so hardly surprising most are not rolling in it. A few - in proportionate terms - are really struggling. And they should have voted Labour. "For the few, not for the many" as their slogan should have read.
You, making such a blanket statement about how people are living their lives.What's that got to do with anything.Do what ?
Neither is "get a better job/learn a new skill".I don't accept the terms of the question. If it were paraphrased
A) Would I like it if people on very low pay earned more? Yes
B) Would i like it if people were paid enough to cover the cost of living (meaning an increase)? Yes
C) Would I like people on low wages should be paid much more? Yes
But these are not "solutions".
How would you know what I have a clue about ?You, making such a blanket statement about how people are living their lives.
You've no clue, man. No clue.
I told him 1,000 times he should have voted Remain but he was never having it. Coordinated, international collaboration is needed to end low pay. And that was only ever going to be possible in the EU where the economic might of the bloc could enforce protectionist policies and the more socially inclined governments are inclined to do something.with the reduction in business regulations that will happen post Brexit this is going to get far far worse than better in my view.
It isn't remotely ignorant, nor woefully so. I told you already - repeatedly in fact - I accept how hard it is.Neither is "get a better job/learn a new skill".
It's woefully ignorant of the situation affecting many people today.
Because you just said it...?How would you know what I have a clue about ?
Don't see much empathy if your "solution" is "get a better job/learn a new skill".It isn't remotely ignorant, nor woefully so. I told you already - repeatedly in fact - I accept how hard it is.
Attitudes like what? GIving you my opinion on the way things are?Trust me, a lot of young people did, and with attitudes like that, they will continue to do so.
You want to do away with "Corbynomics" and Momentum, you need to work out a way of paying younger people enough, not "more", ENOUGH, so that they can live comfortably.
Telling people "get a better job/learn a new skill" is not exactly the way things are as a realistic solution for many people though, is it.Attitudes like what? GIving you my opinion on the way things are?
But anyway, regards Momentum etc, yes, that's probably true.
This is becoming a huge waste of time.Don't see much empathy if your "solution" is "get a better job/learn a new skill".
It's like you don't understand how difficult it is for many people at present. If it was as easy as you describe, why are there still millions of people supporting Labour's message, mostly young people mind, of wanting £10 an hour? Why haven't they done what you suggested already?
THEN WHY DID YOU SUGGEST IT AS AN OPTION!?This is becoming a huge waste of time.
What is it with this "If it was as easy as you describe" shit?
For about the 4th time, I FULLY UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT EASY. NOT AT ALL EASY. VERY VERY HARD.