Confused....and angry

[crystal_mais]

Fantastic ManCityfc....absolutely brilliant post and exactly the way I feel.

And you're banging about leaving them to it too so fuck it, I'M OUT!!!

bye Jay

 

[CBlue]

Boring!!!

Thanks for your considered opinion & taking this debate to another level...unfortunately you haven't elevated it...but thanks for trying.

 

[Brucie Bonus]

Hughes was aware of the issues when he took over the club...

1. So why does he continue to play Elano? 2. Why is he yet to "blood" any of our esteemed academy graduates? 3. Why didn't he off-load a number of these "muppets" in the 3 months he had before the window closed? 4. Why couldn't he use the proceeds from the clearout & build a balanced squad? 5. If all you say is true then why were the only players that left fringe squad players (Isacksson/Sun/Dickov/Geovanni/Mpenza/Corluka)? Or were these the trouble makers?

I'm not sure this is helping your cause.

Ah, but you have surely made your cause clear in suggesting that. I happen to have voted to remove Hughes twice on the two polls on here. I have made it clear who I want to manage City, and who I wanted as soon as the Arabs took over. You'd know that, surely, if you read more than what is on this thread. The answers to all of your questions (especially about why he didn't sell certain players) have been given by posters pro and anti-Hughes again and again (do you think you are the first to ask them?). I'm not going to do the work you won't do for yourself.

Why don't you try to answer the questions, but from Mark Hughes perspective. You might not like the answers (and sometimes there doesn't seem to be one), but they'll be reasonable, even if you disagree with them. He's made mistakes, but they are not the stuff of the stake and faggots.

I might want someone other than Mark Hughes, but I'm not going to invent faults he doesn't possess, and I'm not going to ascribe virtues to those who fail to demonstrate vital ones. I don't want Hughes as manager because I think there is someone better, but I don't feel the need to demonize him or euolgize others who are unworthy of praise.

I'll say this: if the object of the Hughes-out exercise was to win friends and influence people it was stillborn. I have seldom seen such a feeble-minded attempt at persuasion carried for so long, by so many. If Hughes does leave the club, it will not be due to the hate-filled ranting and splenetic invective that has soiled teh internets for the last three months or so.

Anyway, I hope Hughes does pull it off and goes on to be the most succesful manager in our history. So what? Good luck to him. Don't you will him to do well?

 

[crystal_mais]

Boring!!!

Thanks for your considered opinion & taking this debate to another level...unfortunately you haven't elevated it...but thanks for trying.

No Problem mate.

I have made many challenges to the views of Jay and Scorer, for the best part of 3 months they have been harping on about the same old "get rid of Hughes crap, we are the richest club on the planet and we have a god foresaken right to have the best manager and best players oh and should be challenging for Europe etc etc."

It is getting boring!!

I have a very privelaged management career which I have built up over a long time via hard work and making very tough decisions. I have supported City for 36 years now, and have seen all the crap that has gone on at the club and it does pain me. But I also have an appreciation that people need time to put into place their plans to put in place a model for continued success over the medium to long term.

I knew from about December last year, that we were very lucky under Sven and that hard times were about to come.

We only became the richest club in the world on the last day of the last Transfer Window, if it had been a few weeks earlier, I think Hughes would have bought in more players as stated he knows what the weaknesses are, and I do truly believe there is a selection of players at this club who are taking the piss.

Hughes may not be the person who will bring us the sucees in the long term, but I truly believe he will be able to put us on the ladder to success.

I think some of the fans need to take their heads out of their arses and take a look at the bigger picture and truly understand the precarious position the club has been in and try to understand that what he is trying to do is bring people in who are passionate about playing football and working hard.

Rome was definitily not built in a day, and we may need to go through a number of iterations to find the model for success, but patience is the key. Sometimes you need to take a few steps back to truly making the jump forward.

All this talk of Brazilian footballers etc, they did'nt win the last world cup and they won't win the next. They are a group of talented individuals, who are not always the best team players..

I hope you are now satisfied with my opinion.

 

[Scrabble]

This started out as a decent thread, didn't agree with all the opinions (I'm a firm Hughes supporter) but found the differing views interesting and some excellent arguments were put across on both sides.

It's just descended into a slanging match between a couple of posters now. My very brief view is that anyone that claims to have been a football fan for more than 5 minutes who genuinely believes that a manager can turn a club round in half a season is living in dreamland.

We need to back a manager 100% for a couple of seasons minimum and take the highs and the lows as they come. To query why Hughes didn't resolve all the problems before the end of the transfer window when he was appointed in June is just plain madness.

We wont go down, this season is a write off as far as I'm concerned, we will go out of the UEFA as soon as we play a decent side then lets see what the man does over the summer and if there is no improvement this time next year then I'll start asking questions, but 6 months into the job? Madness

 

[iluvrobinho]

I agree with some of what the OP has said but surely the players are not entirely blameless for the situation? They show no pride and no belief that they can win any game. When they are good they are brilliant but when they are bad they are diabolical. They need to learn that they are playing for the fans and put whatever they have against Mark Hughes behind them as thats the only way we will ever do anything if Hughes is to stay

 

[fallowfield]

This started out as a decent thread, didn't agree with all the opinions (I'm a firm Hughes supporter) but found the differing views interesting and some excellent arguments were put across on both sides.

It's just descended into a slanging match between a couple of posters now.

A perfect analysis of this site.

 

[ello_jo]

Hughes tactics do seem to be mostly to blame, last year there was no oofing of the ball up field and we were a better team all round. Sven proved we are a top 9 team, despite his bad end to the season, so why are we not with mark hughes? Why has he got the god given right to have money to spend in january? We have got a good enough team to be up in the top half anyways, its down to the way he plays these players that alters our game.

 

[mancity1]

I don't think CBLUE is expecting us after 20 games to be on Liverpools heals but is asking what are the main factors as to why we are not on Villa's coat tails as we move into he second week of January.

I am generally pessimistic about City especially when the players and managers start pumping us up as a team on the up and challenging for Euro places on results etc but.

6-4-10 and look at the quality of the opposition in some of those 10 defeats and the circumstances we were in some of those matches combined with early exits in both domestic cup competitions and you have to believe it is logical to ask questions over the ability of management to manage the team effectively and get the best out of the playing group.

It might change for the better after the window , it might not but every day decisions have to made in the best interests of the club and what is required to get the best results on matchday from the side we have to put on to the park.

 

[crystal_mais]

I don't think CBLUE is expecting us after 20 games to be on Liverpools heals but is asking what are the main factors as to why we are not on Villa's coat tails as we move into he second week of January.

I am generally pessimistic about City especially when the players and managers start pumping us up as a team on the up and challenging for Euro places on results etc but.

6-4-10 and look at the quality of the opposition in some of those 10 defeats and the circumstances we were in some of those matches combined with early exits in both domestic cup competitions and you have to believe it is logical to ask questions over the ability of management to manage the team effectively and get the best out of the playing group.

It might change for the better after the window , it might not but every day decisions have to made in the best interests of the club and what is required to get the best results on matchday from the side we have to put on to the park.

Agree with you there in principle and i am willing to give Hughes time to do things his way. I agree some of his decisions or part of his Management style maybe at fault. But we have had this problem for a number of years.

It has taken Martin O'Neil 3 years to take Villa from Bottom Half upto where they are now. They were up shit creak when he took over. They have not bought world beaters, but have invested in solid Premiership players and blended them with youth.

I am sure when we were stuffing Villa 3:0, Villa fans were calling for O'Neills head. We need a bit of patience and should not be over reacting as some of our fans are doing, by continually undermining the manager and the team.

Get behind the team and show them your supprt. They are shit scared of making mistakes and being slated.