Confused....and angry

[Anonymous]

We are ten points off 6th place which would mean qualifying for Europe again next season...

That is a long, long way

As soon as we are knocked out of the UEFA our season is over.

Not in my opinion...10 points over half a season is doable...certainly with the right additions to the squad...as for the UEFA Cup...well, it's a cup mate. Portsmouth managed to win the FA Cup last season...we've drawn FC Copenhagen in the next round...I fancy us to go a little further...

Sheesh...lets not drown in a pit of negativity...richest club in the world, and most of the supporters can't even raise a smile...only at Man City...

 

[Bigga]

Ooo! I have a question!!

What happens if the buys that Hughes makes don't improve the team? What happens if they turn out to have the same effect, as in the odd lapse in concentration, misplaced passes leading to goals, bad positioning, not quick enough to cover the counter attacks...

What if Hughes says he's disappointed in the team, they're difficullt to work with after a couple of months? Do we assume the rest of team needs replacing? Or that Hughes, himself, needs replacing?

I was told 'a bad workman blames his tools' and 'if you're stuck with lemons, make lemonade'. Sayings designed to look at the inner workings of how you do things.

He's not exactly the best tactian, so when will pro- Hughes fans see this fact?

Here's one for you, you patronizing tit...

Maybe if the anti-Hughes brigade actually READ what the so called "pro Hughes" brigade post, they would be better placed to start discussions on this board...

Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, have I said that Hughes is tactically a genius...I have however, read you eulogizing about Saint Sven's tactical nous in recent months. Even thought the fucker couldn't win a match for love nor money for the last five months of his tenure...

So, back to your question. Lets wait and see. And if he fucks up in the manner in which Saint Sven did...(ooh, please don't bore me with the excuses...I've heard them all a million times) then I expect he will be sacked in the summer.

I won't cry for him just like I didn't cry for Sven.

LOL!! Raw nerve, eh? You hate Sven. Ok.

I'll tell you what, though, tactics win games. That's tactics designed to know what to do in EVERY given situation possible and after that you leave it to the players to improvise, when you have enough of a squad to do so(as we all know with Sven).

Reliance on bad tactics to win a game is not a tactic, especially if you are limited in the way you play and players you field. You cannot BLUDGEON your way through every game. You cannot HOPE your way through every game. You need to learn tactics and drill them. How much of 'training' is given over to tactics compared to fitness?

Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?

 

[Anonymous]

Reliance on bad tactics to win a game is not a tactic, especially if you are limited in the way you play and players you field. You cannot BLUDGEON your way through every game. You cannot HOPE your way through every game. You need to learn tactics and drill them. How much of 'training' is given over to tactics compared to fitness?

Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?

Firstly, once again you patronizing tit, don't presume to know how I feel about Sven. I call him Saint Sven because of the almost embarrassing reaction of most of our supporters to his sacking.

And, are you denying he had no plan b?

Anyway...onto the part I've quoted above.

Every team needs a balance between the pretty and the gritty. That is what Hughes is striving to reach. Surely that makes sense, even to you? We were a soft touch for most of last season, and have been for a lot of this season. It needs to be addressed.

The part about us not having tactics is just plain stupid. I posted somewhere else recently that this board has become awash with those who are so hell bent on proving that their point is right, that it's become second nature to totally ignore any fact which disputes their argument whilst repeating any minute detail which seemingly strengthens it. The time of balanced debate is long gone.

You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league. But of course, much like a tabloid headline writer, that doesn't make for good copy, and certainly doesn't strengthen your argument.

So please, feel free to continue bullshitting and spinning. Those who want Hughes gone will lap it up like free wine, and those trying to take a balanced view on our current plight will see right through it...

 

[sboroMCFC]

If you want superstars go support Real Madrid, I'm getting so pissed off with people banging on about how these players aren't good enough for City. I guarantee you wouldn't have been happy if we had signed Milner and Sidwell like Villa and look where they are. Who the hell do you want us to sign jay_mcfc because on the evidence of the last 10 years we have no divine right to the best players in the league, nevermind the world!

 

[ono]

And so it starts again....yep the players don't give a shit, they hate the fans, they're bad players, they're drunk, they're arguing with each other and the manager etc etc

1- All these leaks about our players is disgusting

2- A harmonious dressing room starts from the top. It's up to the manager to sort out any problems and get people motivated, not ditching them at the first sign of any problems.

I understand your anger and annoyance but it seems you are more annoyed about the fact that stories of player's being complete pillocks are being leaked, rather than being annoyed that the players are actually complete pillocks.

 

[Bigga]

Reliance on bad tactics to win a game is not a tactic, especially if you are limited in the way you play and players you field. You cannot BLUDGEON your way through every game. You cannot HOPE your way through every game. You need to learn tactics and drill them. How much of 'training' is given over to tactics compared to fitness?

Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?

Firstly, once again you patronizing tit, don't presume to know how I feel about Sven. I call him Saint Sven because of the almost embarrassing reaction of most of our supporters to his sacking.

And, are you denying he had no plan b?

Anyway...onto the part I've quoted above.

Every team needs a balance between the pretty and the gritty. That is what Hughes is striving to reach. Surely that makes sense, even to you? We were a soft touch for most of last season, and have been for a lot of this season. It needs to be addressed.

The part about us not having tactics is just plain stupid. I posted somewhere else recently that this board has become awash with those who are so hell bent on proving that their point is right, that it's become second nature to totally ignore any fact which disputes their argument whilst repeating any minute detail which seemingly strengthens it. The time of balanced debate is long gone.

You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league. But of course, much like a tabloid headline writer, that doesn't make for good copy, and certainly doesn't strengthen your argument.

So please, feel free to continue bullshitting and spinning. Those who want Hughes gone will lap it up like free wine, and those trying to take a balanced view on our current plight will see right through it...

PMSL!! This is like poking a wild beast through a cage! LOL! It's fun, actually, watching you snap repeatedly!
"You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league." Bold statement... Proof? Or is the proof in the table/ points position? Is this your way of saying he won't take us to the top, then?

To me, you just clarify that Hughes is indeed limited. So, why defend him? If we do need gritty players, how will we progress as a viable option to "world class stars", like I'm sure many want? Nobody's heard me call for Kaka, Villa, Buffon etc. My directive is about tactics.

Anybody of limited skill can become effective within a team, so long as they're used in their best capacity. That's a skill, to be able to make the average seem better. So, what does it say when you make the better seem average, within your team?

I'm sorry I can poke you all day, but you seem too angry to have reasoned discussion..."you patronizing tit".

By the way, one needs either a versatile squad to play 'Plan B' or a bigger squad. Sven had neither of these options open to him.

 

[Mills-Mcfc]

Chill out have a J

 

[bri an t]

fergy across road, had 4years to stamp his stile on the players, and bring in his own men, give hughes till the end of the season, we will get better when the new players get in starting on saturday at pompy

 

[Anonymous]

PMSL!! This is like poking a wild beast through a cage! LOL! It's fun, actually, watching you snap repeatedly!

Funny thing is Bigga, you've not even come close to riling me. I just find you to be a patronizing tit to anyone who doesn't agree with you...then again, the username BIGGA pretty much sums up most of your insecurities...

"You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league." Bold statement... Proof? Or is the proof in the table/ points position? Is this your way of saying he won't take us to the top, then?

That was my way of saying your quote "Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?" was just plain bullshit and spin.

To me, you just clarify that Hughes is indeed limited. So, why defend him? If we do need gritty players, how will we progress as a viable option to "world class stars", like I'm sure many want? Nobody's heard me call for Kaka, Villa, Buffon etc. My directive is about tactics.

LOL..."my directive is about tactics". Okay, do I think Hughes is a tactical genius? No, absolutely not. Do I think he is a poor manager? No, absolutely not.

Anybody of limited skill can become effective within a team, so long as they're used in their best capacity. That's a skill, to be able to make the average seem better. So, what does it say when you make the better seem average, within your team?

So what you're trying to say there is that Hughes isn't getting the best out of his players. Why not just say it like that? Anyway, to the point you're making. Yes, you're right, he's not getting the best out of his players. If you had read Blue2112's posts carefully over the last 24 hours, you'd know that factions within the dressing room simply "don't like" Hughes, and are trying desperately to undermine him. Unfortunately, you're not going to get an average or below average premiership player to bust a gut for you, when he doesn't like your style of management.

I may not be the biggest fan of Mark Hughes...but I'll say this...when a footballer is paid millions of pounds a year, he has a duty to perform to the best of his abilities for the 90 minutes he's on the pitch, regardless of whether he likes the manager, tactics, training, or back room staff...

I'm sorry I can poke you all day, but you seem too angry to have reasoned discussion..."you patronizing tit".

You can poke me all year mate. You'll still be a patronizing tit with little man syndrome. I bet you don't stand in inch over five foot two...

By the way, one needs either a versatile squad to play 'Plan B' or a bigger squad. Sven had neither of these options open to him.

So Sven had no plan B then...the man was guilty as charged...or had he simply stopped getting his overachieving players to overachieve.

 

[Bigga]

PMSL!! This is like poking a wild beast through a cage! LOL! It's fun, actually, watching you snap repeatedly!

Funny thing is Bigga, you've not even come close to riling me. I just find you to be a patronizing tit to anyone who doesn't agree with you...then again, the username BIGGA pretty much sums up most of your insecurities...

"You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league." Bold statement... Proof? Or is the proof in the table/ points position? Is this your way of saying he won't take us to the top, then?

That was my way of saying your quote "Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?" was just plain bullshit and spin.

To me, you just clarify that Hughes is indeed limited. So, why defend him? If we do need gritty players, how will we progress as a viable option to "world class stars", like I'm sure many want? Nobody's heard me call for Kaka, Villa, Buffon etc. My directive is about tactics.

LOL..."my directive is about tactics". Okay, do I think Hughes is a tactical genius? No, absolutely not. Do I think he is a poor manager? No, absolutely not.

Anybody of limited skill can become effective within a team, so long as they're used in their best capacity. That's a skill, to be able to make the average seem better. So, what does it say when you make the better seem average, within your team?

So what you're trying to say there is that Hughes isn't getting the best out of his players. Why not just say it like that? Anyway, to the point you're making. Yes, you're right, he's not getting the best out of his players. If you had read Blue2112's posts carefully over the last 24 hours, you'd know that factions within the dressing room simply "don't like" Hughes, and are trying desperately to undermine him. Unfortunately, you're not going to get an average or below average premiership player to bust a gut for you, when he doesn't like your style of management.

I may not be the biggest fan of Mark Hughes...but I'll say this...when a footballer is paid millions of pounds a year, he has a duty to perform to the best of his abilities for the 90 minutes he's on the pitch, regardless of whether he likes the manager, tactics, training, or back room staff...

I'm sorry I can poke you all day, but you seem too angry to have reasoned discussion..."you patronizing tit".

You can poke me all year mate. You'll still be a patronizing tit with little man syndrome. I bet you don't stand in inch over five foot two...

By the way, one needs either a versatile squad to play 'Plan B' or a bigger squad. Sven had neither of these options open to him.

So Sven had no plan B then...the man was guilty as charged...or had he simply stopped getting his overachieving players to overachieve.

PMSL!! I don't have anything to respond to here! LOL!! I've been beaten by the great Billy Shears! Resulting in petty insults because he's upset! Yet, you agree with the core of my point and cannot attach the significance of it, to Sven? Priceless! Funny enough, I don't need to quote you, you've done that job for me! What a genius!

Stick with your insults cos you don't have much else to offer!!

LOL!!