Confused....and angry

[cleavers]

Elano takes the piss out of Hughes, often behind his back mocking his teamtalks, other players laugh and find it amusing, all the signs are there, Vassell and his earrings, Elano wearing trainers on the bench against Tottenham, its just not proffessional and at this level they shouldn't need mollicoddoling, TBH wont ever play again, Jo's missed training with bullshit excuses, then theres Johno ffs going off the rails. When players fucked around under Fergurson they were told and if they continued to fuc about then they were sold, you got one chance at the worlds biggest club because he had the perfect scenario to lay the law down, ts all downhill after United, well we're aiming for that as the richest club in the world, if you dont want to join the bus then fucking get off at the next stop and stop wasting yours and our time because after City its only going to be downhill for these players.

2112, you know I respect your views, and you know more about what's going on than I do, but all of what you said there points to a boss who's lost control, and that's not a good boss. The players are letting him down, but he's clearly not doing anything to help the situation.

If you're being told this then I sincerely hope that the likes of Cook and Aldridge are being told it too.

All this about Elano is fine, but why of thats the case does Hughes not out him, and kick him out ?

I'd be interested to know which players it is that are saying this stuff too, because they aren't here for City either.

At the end of the day ALL the players we have are here for the money, and couldn't give a w*nk about us the fans, they haven't done that in 25 years.

Its time our new owners came in and tossed ALL the crap away, and put professionals in to run the club along the likes of a top club, because we continue to be run like a going out of business club, as we have for the best part of the last 30 years.

Its a disgrace.

This season will drive more fans away than Pearce did, how sad is that ? Why, because we were given hope by the new owners, and what have we got 6 months down the line, same old shit that's what.

Hughes wasn't, isn't, and never will be good enough for where we were supposed to be heading, but on current form (19 points from the last 17 games (incl cup games)) we WILL go down this season if its not stopped, and he may just be good enough to get us promoted again.

 

[Marvin]

Which all points to the fact that Hughes was a bad appointment in the first place. I dunno about you lot but the last thing I want to see is a 'hard' manager managing a 'hard' team. It's clear some of the players have absolutely no respect for him and that's only gonna get worse should we get some big name players.

Look, for whatever reason MH has got a good squad of players based on ability and for whatever reason he isn't getting the best of them.

Ability alone doesn't make a good team.

The midfield at home to Forest was hopeless and it's heart was a player who has caused problems under his last 3 managers. As I said above, all managers have to deal with awkward characters, and there are other issues which I think are more important. I think you are wrong to blame the manager 100% for all our problems, after such a short period of time under his management. So far he has very little time to buy his players, and has had a lot of time with the negative aspect of the transfer speculation undermining the team spirit at the club

He has the reources. Blame him 100% if we are still in the same position in 12 months time

 

[mammutly]

Which all points to the fact that Hughes was a bad appointment in the first place. I dunno about you lot but the last thing I want to see is a 'hard' manager managing a 'hard' team. It's clear some of the players have absolutely no respect for him and that's only gonna get worse should we get some big name players.

Look, for whatever reason MH has got a good squad of players based on ability and for whatever reason he isn't getting the best of them.

Can't argue with that.

Hughes was unproven when he came here and clearly hasn't been able to step up.

 

[jay_mcfc]

No manager is ever 100% to blame but that doesn't mean the buck don't stop with him. I hope I won't be able to judge his performance in 12 months time unless I become a fan of someone like Bolton.

I think this dressing room unrest is a bit OTT, especially with the things Josh is describing. I reckon, and this is just an opinion, that if every Premiership squad has 30 players in I reckon 5 would be a little bit troublesome, all in different ways; lazy, bad attitude, gets involved in other things like drinking and going out, attention seekers, mouthy, undermine managers etc. It is up to the manager to gain the respect of those players and get the best out of the squad as a whole...Hughes is failing miserably at that. The problems start as the team is doing badly. We were performing all right at the start of the season and we've won games 6-0, 5-1 and many by 3-0...they are not scorelines of players that aren't interested and have bad attitudes.

 

[Marvin]

The case is unproven. How it could possibly be proven after 4 months I do not know!

No need to re-hash all the old arguments, but mammutly I have agreed with you about Jo, and Hughes has had barely no time at all to build his own team.

I don't buy the argument that we should be doing much better with the existing players. They were performing poorly last season, and there were major problems. Robinho and SWP have fixed the goal-scoring problems, but they could never fill the holes in midfield. In fact they have got worse given Johnson's long term absence who waa hugely significant in our good start last season.

 

[jay_mcfc]

The case is unproven. How it could possibly be proven after 4 months I do not know!

No need to re-hash all the old arguments, but mammutly I have agreed with you about Jo, and Hughes has had barely no time at all to build his own team.

I don't buy the argument that we should be doing much better with the existing players. They were performing poorly last season, and there were major problems. Robinho and SWP have fixed the goal-scoring problems, but they could never fill the holes in midfield. In fact they have got worse given Johnson's long term absence who waa hugely significant in our good start last season.

Bollocks. Top 10 side with the addition of £80m worth of talent now fairing a hell of a lot worse.

 

[eato]

The case is unproven. How it could possibly be proven after 4 months I do not know!

No need to re-hash all the old arguments, but mammutly I have agreed with you about Jo, and Hughes has had barely no time at all to build his own team.

I don't buy the argument that we should be doing much better with the existing players. They were performing poorly last season, and there were major problems. Robinho and SWP have fixed the goal-scoring problems, but they could never fill the holes in midfield. In fact they have got worse given Johnson's long term absence who waa hugely significant in our good start last season.

Agree 100% balance is our biggest problem at the moment, we simply don't have a spine

 

[Blue2112]

Elano takes the piss out of Hughes, often behind his back mocking his teamtalks, other players laugh and find it amusing, all the signs are there, Vassell and his earrings, Elano wearing trainers on the bench against Tottenham, its just not proffessional and at this level they shouldn't need mollicoddoling, TBH wont ever play again, Jo's missed training with bullshit excuses, then theres Johno ffs going off the rails. When players fucked around under Fergurson they were told and if they continued to fuc about then they were sold, you got one chance at the worlds biggest club because he had the perfect scenario to lay the law down, ts all downhill after United, well we're aiming for that as the richest club in the world, if you dont want to join the bus then fucking get off at the next stop and stop wasting yours and our time because after City its only going to be downhill for these players.

2112, you know I respect your views, and you know more about what's going on than I do, but all of what you said there points to a boss who's lost control, and that's not a good boss. The players are letting him down, but he's clearly not doing anything to help the situation.

If you're being told this then I sincerely hope that the likes of Cook and Aldridge are being told it too.

All this about Elano is fine, but why of thats the case does Hughes not out him, and kick him out ?

I'd be interested to know which players it is that are saying this stuff too, because they aren't here for City either.

At the end of the day ALL the players we have are here for the money, and couldn't give a w*nk about us the fans, they haven't done that in 25 years.

Its time our new owners came in and tossed ALL the crap away, and put professionals in to run the club along the likes of a top club, because we continue to be run like a going out of business club, as we have for the best part of the last 30 years.

Its a disgrace.

This season will drive more fans away than Pearce did, how sad is that ? Why, because we were given hope by the new owners, and what have we got 6 months down the line, same old shit that's what.

Hughes wasn't, isn't, and never will be good enough for where we were supposed to be heading, but on current form (19 points from the last 17 games (incl cup games)) we WILL go down this season if its not stopped, and he may just be good enough to get us promoted again.

Ive said on another thread that Ive also heard some things that make me scratch my head in confusion. I don't think Hughes is entirely blameless but last season its common knowledge Sven let them get away with it lightly, I know on one occasion I was waitng for autographs with the kids and it was freezing, Tord Grip came out asked who we was waiting for and went and got them off the training pitch to sign things so we could go home. Yeah it was great for us but FFS these guys are working so what if we had to wait. I know if the foreign contingent complained about training being too difficult then they were given an easy ride whereas the British based players just got on with it, these things fester and it splits players into divisions. Hughes walks in with the remit to strengthen the squad, make them fitter etc...There are a number of things that as a squad they do together and some of them dont like it, well tough titty in my opinion,they're paid handsomely and if they don't want to tow the party line why the fuck should the manager kop for it. Within weeks of Hughes arrival we were taken over and the mandate changed drastically more than than any of us could ever have imagined.

They're will be other changes made over the coming months in other aspects of the club where we are failing, for example look at the injuries certain players seem to continually pick up. There is a major project going on to transform City into one of the top clubs on and off the pitch in the world not just the Premiership, if the players want to try and destabilise the manager or his backroom staff, whats to say they wont do the same thing if another new guy comes in. It stops now and that should send a message to anyone else in the future, I'll say it again ifplayers fuck around with Fergurso theyre gone its as simple as and they generally more often than not give or take go backwards in their career. Well we have the opportunity to start right now and take this club to the very top and no player or manager is bigger than the club but the manager surely should get the support first and foremost.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Ive said on another thread that Ive also heard some things that make me scratch my head in confusion. I don't think Hughes is entirely blameless but last season its common knowledge Sven let them get away with it lightly, I know if the foreign contingent complained about training being too difficult then they were given an easy ride whereas the British based players just got on with it, these things fester and it splits players into divisions. Hughes walks in with the remit to strengthen the squad, make them fitter etc...There are a number of things that as a squad they do together and some of them dont like it, well tough titty in my opinion,they're paid handsomely and if they don't want to tow the party line why the fuck should the manager kop for it. Within weeks of Hughes arrival we were taken over and the mandate changed drastically more than than any of us could ever have imagined.

They're will be other changes made over the coming months in other aspects of the club where we are failing, for example look at the injuries certain players seem to continually pick up. There is a major project going on to transform City into one of the top clubs on and off the pitch in the world not just the Premiership, if the players want to try and destabilise the manager or his backroom staff, whats to say they wont do the same thing if another new guy comes in. It stops now and that should send a message to anyone else in the future, I'll say it again ifplayers fuck around with Fergurso theyre gone its as simple as and they generally more often than not give or take go backwards in their career. Well we have the opportunity to start right now and take this club to the very top and no player or manager is bigger than the club but the manager surely should get the support first and foremost.

I hear what you're saying but don't really see what your point is? Are you not stating that we need a bigger, stronger manager with a bigger reputation and who has experience of handling the best players around the world?

 

[Corky]

The case is unproven. How it could possibly be proven after 4 months I do not know!

No need to re-hash all the old arguments, but mammutly I have agreed with you about Jo, and Hughes has had barely no time at all to build his own team.

I don't buy the argument that we should be doing much better with the existing players. They were performing poorly last season, and there were major problems. Robinho and SWP have fixed the goal-scoring problems, but they could never fill the holes in midfield. In fact they have got worse given Johnson's long term absence who waa hugely significant in our good start last season.

Agree 100% balance is our biggest problem at the moment, we simply don't have a spine

I was saying thi a while ago, 5 midfielders 4 being attacking does not work. That is why hughes can not play Elano if SWP,Ireland and Robinho play, most of the time it will fail and Parker is a good signing.