Confused....and angry

[Anonymous]

We are ten points off 6th place which would mean qualifying for Europe again next season...

That is a long, long way

As soon as we are knocked out of the UEFA our season is over.

Not in my opinion...10 points over half a season is doable...certainly with the right additions to the squad...as for the UEFA Cup...well, it's a cup mate. Portsmouth managed to win the FA Cup last season...we've drawn FC Copenhagen in the next round...I fancy us to go a little further...

Sheesh...lets not drown in a pit of negativity...richest club in the world, and most of the supporters can't even raise a smile...only at Man City...

 

[Bigga]

Ooo! I have a question!!

What happens if the buys that Hughes makes don't improve the team? What happens if they turn out to have the same effect, as in the odd lapse in concentration, misplaced passes leading to goals, bad positioning, not quick enough to cover the counter attacks...

What if Hughes says he's disappointed in the team, they're difficullt to work with after a couple of months? Do we assume the rest of team needs replacing? Or that Hughes, himself, needs replacing?

I was told 'a bad workman blames his tools' and 'if you're stuck with lemons, make lemonade'. Sayings designed to look at the inner workings of how you do things.

He's not exactly the best tactian, so when will pro- Hughes fans see this fact?

Here's one for you, you patronizing tit...

Maybe if the anti-Hughes brigade actually READ what the so called "pro Hughes" brigade post, they would be better placed to start discussions on this board...

Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, have I said that Hughes is tactically a genius...I have however, read you eulogizing about Saint Sven's tactical nous in recent months. Even thought the fucker couldn't win a match for love nor money for the last five months of his tenure...

So, back to your question. Lets wait and see. And if he fucks up in the manner in which Saint Sven did...(ooh, please don't bore me with the excuses...I've heard them all a million times) then I expect he will be sacked in the summer.

I won't cry for him just like I didn't cry for Sven.

LOL!! Raw nerve, eh? You hate Sven. Ok.

I'll tell you what, though, tactics win games. That's tactics designed to know what to do in EVERY given situation possible and after that you leave it to the players to improvise, when you have enough of a squad to do so(as we all know with Sven).

Reliance on bad tactics to win a game is not a tactic, especially if you are limited in the way you play and players you field. You cannot BLUDGEON your way through every game. You cannot HOPE your way through every game. You need to learn tactics and drill them. How much of 'training' is given over to tactics compared to fitness?

Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?

 

[Anonymous]

Reliance on bad tactics to win a game is not a tactic, especially if you are limited in the way you play and players you field. You cannot BLUDGEON your way through every game. You cannot HOPE your way through every game. You need to learn tactics and drill them. How much of 'training' is given over to tactics compared to fitness?

Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?

Firstly, once again you patronizing tit, don't presume to know how I feel about Sven. I call him Saint Sven because of the almost embarrassing reaction of most of our supporters to his sacking.

And, are you denying he had no plan b?

Anyway...onto the part I've quoted above.

Every team needs a balance between the pretty and the gritty. That is what Hughes is striving to reach. Surely that makes sense, even to you? We were a soft touch for most of last season, and have been for a lot of this season. It needs to be addressed.

The part about us not having tactics is just plain stupid. I posted somewhere else recently that this board has become awash with those who are so hell bent on proving that their point is right, that it's become second nature to totally ignore any fact which disputes their argument whilst repeating any minute detail which seemingly strengthens it. The time of balanced debate is long gone.

You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league. But of course, much like a tabloid headline writer, that doesn't make for good copy, and certainly doesn't strengthen your argument.

So please, feel free to continue bullshitting and spinning. Those who want Hughes gone will lap it up like free wine, and those trying to take a balanced view on our current plight will see right through it...

 

[sboroMCFC]

If you want superstars go support Real Madrid, I'm getting so pissed off with people banging on about how these players aren't good enough for City. I guarantee you wouldn't have been happy if we had signed Milner and Sidwell like Villa and look where they are. Who the hell do you want us to sign jay_mcfc because on the evidence of the last 10 years we have no divine right to the best players in the league, nevermind the world!

 

[ono]

And so it starts again....yep the players don't give a shit, they hate the fans, they're bad players, they're drunk, they're arguing with each other and the manager etc etc

1- All these leaks about our players is disgusting

2- A harmonious dressing room starts from the top. It's up to the manager to sort out any problems and get people motivated, not ditching them at the first sign of any problems.

I understand your anger and annoyance but it seems you are more annoyed about the fact that stories of player's being complete pillocks are being leaked, rather than being annoyed that the players are actually complete pillocks.

 

[Bigga]

Reliance on bad tactics to win a game is not a tactic, especially if you are limited in the way you play and players you field. You cannot BLUDGEON your way through every game. You cannot HOPE your way through every game. You need to learn tactics and drill them. How much of 'training' is given over to tactics compared to fitness?

Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?

Firstly, once again you patronizing tit, don't presume to know how I feel about Sven. I call him Saint Sven because of the almost embarrassing reaction of most of our supporters to his sacking.

And, are you denying he had no plan b?

Anyway...onto the part I've quoted above.

Every team needs a balance between the pretty and the gritty. That is what Hughes is striving to reach. Surely that makes sense, even to you? We were a soft touch for most of last season, and have been for a lot of this season. It needs to be addressed.

The part about us not having tactics is just plain stupid. I posted somewhere else recently that this board has become awash with those who are so hell bent on proving that their point is right, that it's become second nature to totally ignore any fact which disputes their argument whilst repeating any minute detail which seemingly strengthens it. The time of balanced debate is long gone.

You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league. But of course, much like a tabloid headline writer, that doesn't make for good copy, and certainly doesn't strengthen your argument.

So please, feel free to continue bullshitting and spinning. Those who want Hughes gone will lap it up like free wine, and those trying to take a balanced view on our current plight will see right through it...

PMSL!! This is like poking a wild beast through a cage! LOL! It's fun, actually, watching you snap repeatedly!
"You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league." Bold statement... Proof? Or is the proof in the table/ points position? Is this your way of saying he won't take us to the top, then?

To me, you just clarify that Hughes is indeed limited. So, why defend him? If we do need gritty players, how will we progress as a viable option to "world class stars", like I'm sure many want? Nobody's heard me call for Kaka, Villa, Buffon etc. My directive is about tactics.

Anybody of limited skill can become effective within a team, so long as they're used in their best capacity. That's a skill, to be able to make the average seem better. So, what does it say when you make the better seem average, within your team?

I'm sorry I can poke you all day, but you seem too angry to have reasoned discussion..."you patronizing tit".

By the way, one needs either a versatile squad to play 'Plan B' or a bigger squad. Sven had neither of these options open to him.

 

[Mills-Mcfc]

Chill out have a J

 

[bri an t]

fergy across road, had 4years to stamp his stile on the players, and bring in his own men, give hughes till the end of the season, we will get better when the new players get in starting on saturday at pompy

 

[Anonymous]

PMSL!! This is like poking a wild beast through a cage! LOL! It's fun, actually, watching you snap repeatedly!

Funny thing is Bigga, you've not even come close to riling me. I just find you to be a patronizing tit to anyone who doesn't agree with you...then again, the username BIGGA pretty much sums up most of your insecurities...

"You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league." Bold statement... Proof? Or is the proof in the table/ points position? Is this your way of saying he won't take us to the top, then?

That was my way of saying your quote "Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?" was just plain bullshit and spin.

To me, you just clarify that Hughes is indeed limited. So, why defend him? If we do need gritty players, how will we progress as a viable option to "world class stars", like I'm sure many want? Nobody's heard me call for Kaka, Villa, Buffon etc. My directive is about tactics.

LOL..."my directive is about tactics". Okay, do I think Hughes is a tactical genius? No, absolutely not. Do I think he is a poor manager? No, absolutely not.

Anybody of limited skill can become effective within a team, so long as they're used in their best capacity. That's a skill, to be able to make the average seem better. So, what does it say when you make the better seem average, within your team?

So what you're trying to say there is that Hughes isn't getting the best out of his players. Why not just say it like that? Anyway, to the point you're making. Yes, you're right, he's not getting the best out of his players. If you had read Blue2112's posts carefully over the last 24 hours, you'd know that factions within the dressing room simply "don't like" Hughes, and are trying desperately to undermine him. Unfortunately, you're not going to get an average or below average premiership player to bust a gut for you, when he doesn't like your style of management.

I may not be the biggest fan of Mark Hughes...but I'll say this...when a footballer is paid millions of pounds a year, he has a duty to perform to the best of his abilities for the 90 minutes he's on the pitch, regardless of whether he likes the manager, tactics, training, or back room staff...

I'm sorry I can poke you all day, but you seem too angry to have reasoned discussion..."you patronizing tit".

You can poke me all year mate. You'll still be a patronizing tit with little man syndrome. I bet you don't stand in inch over five foot two...

By the way, one needs either a versatile squad to play 'Plan B' or a bigger squad. Sven had neither of these options open to him.

So Sven had no plan B then...the man was guilty as charged...or had he simply stopped getting his overachieving players to overachieve.

 

[Bigga]

PMSL!! This is like poking a wild beast through a cage! LOL! It's fun, actually, watching you snap repeatedly!

Funny thing is Bigga, you've not even come close to riling me. I just find you to be a patronizing tit to anyone who doesn't agree with you...then again, the username BIGGA pretty much sums up most of your insecurities...

"You know full well that Mark Hughes is no more and no less tactically astute than the vast majority of other managers in this league." Bold statement... Proof? Or is the proof in the table/ points position? Is this your way of saying he won't take us to the top, then?

That was my way of saying your quote "Arsenal have tactics. Chel$ki do and The Scum. Why don't we?" was just plain bullshit and spin.

To me, you just clarify that Hughes is indeed limited. So, why defend him? If we do need gritty players, how will we progress as a viable option to "world class stars", like I'm sure many want? Nobody's heard me call for Kaka, Villa, Buffon etc. My directive is about tactics.

LOL..."my directive is about tactics". Okay, do I think Hughes is a tactical genius? No, absolutely not. Do I think he is a poor manager? No, absolutely not.

Anybody of limited skill can become effective within a team, so long as they're used in their best capacity. That's a skill, to be able to make the average seem better. So, what does it say when you make the better seem average, within your team?

So what you're trying to say there is that Hughes isn't getting the best out of his players. Why not just say it like that? Anyway, to the point you're making. Yes, you're right, he's not getting the best out of his players. If you had read Blue2112's posts carefully over the last 24 hours, you'd know that factions within the dressing room simply "don't like" Hughes, and are trying desperately to undermine him. Unfortunately, you're not going to get an average or below average premiership player to bust a gut for you, when he doesn't like your style of management.

I may not be the biggest fan of Mark Hughes...but I'll say this...when a footballer is paid millions of pounds a year, he has a duty to perform to the best of his abilities for the 90 minutes he's on the pitch, regardless of whether he likes the manager, tactics, training, or back room staff...

I'm sorry I can poke you all day, but you seem too angry to have reasoned discussion..."you patronizing tit".

You can poke me all year mate. You'll still be a patronizing tit with little man syndrome. I bet you don't stand in inch over five foot two...

By the way, one needs either a versatile squad to play 'Plan B' or a bigger squad. Sven had neither of these options open to him.

So Sven had no plan B then...the man was guilty as charged...or had he simply stopped getting his overachieving players to overachieve.

PMSL!! I don't have anything to respond to here! LOL!! I've been beaten by the great Billy Shears! Resulting in petty insults because he's upset! Yet, you agree with the core of my point and cannot attach the significance of it, to Sven? Priceless! Funny enough, I don't need to quote you, you've done that job for me! What a genius!

Stick with your insults cos you don't have much else to offer!!

LOL!!

 

[cityranger]

our defence has disintegrated, none of the back 4 deserve to be in the team.
The demise of Richards and Dunne is very disappointing and alarming. Richards in particular has fallen from England class to not deserving to be in the City team. What was our strength has become our weakness.

 

[Anonymous]

PMSL!! I don't have anything to respond to here! LOL!! I've been beaten by the great Billy Shears! Resulting in petty insults because he's upset! Yet, you agree with the core of my point and cannot attach the significance of it, to Sven? Priceless! Funny enough, I don't need to quote you, you've done that job for me! What a genius!

Stick with your insults cos you don't have much else to offer!!

LOL!!

PMSL....LOL!! (you see what I did there...)

So, the core of your argument, little man, was that Hughes is tactically inept. To which I countered that you were a huge fan of Sven's, yet he suffered essentially, from the same problems that Hughes did. You have ignored this and decided now is the time to gracefully bow out of the discussion with the classic "Stick with your insults cos you don't have much else to offer!!" line which most of your ilk resort to when they are handed a few firm slaps across the arse...

I can always re-post your original post...

Ooo! I have a question!!

What happens if the buys that Hughes makes don't improve the team? What happens if they turn out to have the same effect, as in the odd lapse in concentration, misplaced passes leading to goals, bad positioning, not quick enough to cover the counter attacks...

What if Hughes says he's disappointed in the team, they're difficullt to work with after a couple of months? Do we assume the rest of team needs replacing? Or that Hughes, himself, needs replacing?

I was told 'a bad workman blames his tools' and 'if you're stuck with lemons, make lemonade'. Sayings designed to look at the inner workings of how you do things.

He's not exactly the best tactian, so when will pro- Hughes fans see this fact?

Ooh, if those aren't the words of a patronizing spin-mongering tit, then the pope just ain't a Catholic anymore...

 

[Bigga]

So, if you're happy that Hughes is not a tactian, what possible use does he bring to the players/ club? Man management? Drill intructor? Basic football 101?

At least I've laid out what I think is important. You, Shears, have been nothing but scathing in your vitriol of abuse as it's the only concrete thing coming from you! Big sign of weakness.

What does Hughes bring to the club? I ask you a second time, if you missed it the first. I'm not going to lie, I liked Sven's football. It was beautiful, ambitious and hopeful(muchful like City fans). I felt it reflected what we wanted, finally. I felt like Sven understood the fans.

You, no doubt, like many, will point to the latter half of Sven's reign. An unfair comparison, highlighted by idiots, as Sven never had ADUG's backing. Buys were done relatively cheap. Already, we've seen the numbers of suspected players being sought and the combination of price. And people scoff at what Sven bought, last minute!

It's amazing how you Pro- Hughes fans think. Quick to denounce what Sven did, yet fail to praise, looking at the minor miracle he did, in one season.

It's almost impossible to debate the bigger picture of the implications with you.

 

[Anonymous]

So, if you're happy that Hughes is not a tactian, what possible use does he bring to the players/ club? Man management? Drill intructor? Basic football 101?

At least I've laid out what I think is important. You, Shears, have been nothing but scathing in your vitriol of abuse as it's the only concrete thing coming from you! Big sign of weakness.

You're still at it mate...Mark Hughes is not a tactician in your not so humble opinion. But this man unskilled in tactics has had a long and successful career as a professional footballer at the highest level, and has gone on to be relatively successful in his burgeoning career as a football manager. Okay, he hasn't won any major honours as a football manager, but no doubt he will. He has shown a pedigree to manage in the toughest league in the world, when many many others before him have failed miserably.

I'm not happy with some of the tactics he uses, like most armchair football managers are at some point with the manager's of the clubs they support. That doesn't make Hughes some footballing idiot with no nous whatsoever, which is how you and the rest of the anti-Hughes brigade continue to paint him.

What does Hughes bring to the club? I ask you a second time, if you missed it the first. I'm not going to lie, I liked Sven's football. It was beautiful, ambitious and hopeful(muchful like City fans). I felt it reflected what we wanted, finally. I felt like Sven understood the fans.

You, no doubt, like many, will point to the latter half of Sven's reign. An unfair comparison, highlighted by idiots, as Sven never had ADUG's backing. Buys were done relatively cheap. Already, we've seen the numbers of suspected players being sought and the combination of price. And people scoff at what Sven bought, last minute!

Now who's being insulting...we're idiots for highlighting that Sven couldn't win a match to save his life from boxing day onwards...Sven did a good job. No more, no less. When we were good, we were great, and when we were found out, we were crap and ineffective. Much like Hughes's team.

I won't get into the players in and out debate. Suffice to say Sven signed his fair share of dross, and seemed incapable of signing a decent centre forward (at least one who could stay fit, since Bojinov has been injured for his entire City career).

It's amazing how you Pro- Hughes fans think. Quick to denounce what Sven did, yet fail to praise, looking at the minor miracle he did, in one season.

It's almost impossible to debate the bigger picture of the implications with you.

You see, you seem only capable of operating in black and white. Hughes good. Sven bad. Hughes bad. Sven good. It's a very simplistic way of looking at a very complex subject. You accuse me of being incapable of discussing the bigger picture, yet you are scathing of Mark Hughes without even beginning to acknowledge that there are underlying problems within the squad which simply won't be addressed overnight. You refuse to acknowledge that Hughes is the one working for the bigger picture. You want the instant gratification that SGE provided for three or four months.

I insult you because you patronize anyone who disagrees with you Bigga...which you have continued to do in your post above. There's a few like you on here, who think you're the font of all footballing knowledge and anyone who doesn't fall into line is immediately to be dismissed as a know nothing idiot. The irony in that is not lost on me...

 

[pissedagain]

this is where we are hey boys, at each others throats, thanks hughes for a job well done

 

[chesterguy]

this is where we are hey boys, at each others throats, thanks hughes for a job well done

So now people think that Hughes has been employed to ensure that he divides the fans.......arse.

Quite clearly some people hated the fact that he was taken on before he had sent out a side just because he was an ex United player. Mnay of us believe that he should be given time to get rid of the lioghweights that played for Sven for 3 months but who were not prepared to dig in and fight to save his job when he came under pressure.

Some managers we seem to take too Keegan Sven but their are many who we as fans never gave a chance too and we pressurised the board to get rid of. Thankfully these owners are away from this country and will not be influenced by such issues (I hope)

I think Hughes can make MCFC a success provided he is allowed to get those players who are prepared to work hard and fight for the cause as well as those falir playes who just have the fancy tricks. Its about getting a balance and I like many have thought that there are 4/5 players who are immediate first team standard, 5/6 squad members and about 6/8 who we should get rid off once the balance is redressed then I think we will climb the table. Dont forget we are only 10 points off a European place

 

[Bigga]

Well, I'm glad you've brought to my attention what he's brought to the club... Nothing. Now, I'm being patronising. Oh and thank you for the lack of 'tit' in your last response. There I go again. I just can't help it, can I? *Oops! Habit*

"You accuse me of being incapable of discussing the bigger picture, yet you are scathing of Mark Hughes without even beginning to acknowledge that there are underlying problems within the squad which simply won't be addressed overnight".

Do you mean Hughes can only work with certain type of players? Ones that feel they can follow blindly without questioning 'why so-and-so's not playing cos this other guy's not making any moves forward for a pass' kind of players? Do you mean the kick and chase players he feels so comfy with?

Haven't we, as fans, been down this corridor so many times before and that's why we felt an affinity with Sven? Didn't Sven's brand make us love football again? Make us feel 10ft tall even after an entertaining defeat? I won't compare a latter season because there's no comparison. We're beyond that now, when we compare the monies involved in this window, compared to last. And it's not the Sven thing I'm talking about. I'm talking about us playing football the way we always wanted to be associated with.

"Give Hughes time to get his own men in". Fine. Welcome back Route One Football. Knock it long to Roque, Roque nods on/ across to a runner. Yay, so long as we win. Dour, dour sh*te. So long as we win. This is what you want? This is what you'll get. As long as we win type football. It won't attract class players, I assure you, so we'll be right back where we are.

Right here, right now, mid table area.

You don't actually offer anything to discuss with, do you BS. Apt, those initials.

 

[pissedagain]

of course he ll turn it round, if they allowed me to keep throwing cash at it, i d turn it round

 

[chesterguy]

"Give Hughes time to get his own men in". Fine. Welcome back Route One Football. Knock it long to Roque, Roque nods on/ across to a runner. Yay, so long as we win. Dour, dour sh*te. So long as we win. This is what you want? This is what you'll get. As long as we win type football. It won't attract class players

Right here, right now, mid table area.

You don't actually offer anything to discuss with, do you BS. Apt, those initials.

So class players wont be attracted to a winning side what utter bollocks. Some people are compaining because there is a danger that Mark Hughes might get a side together that might wins games FFS grow up. I couldnt care if we win every game 1-0 we are not in the position like Abramovich who had won things but then decided he wanted to win with more style and so got rid of Mouriniho. Grant then promised to play the beautiful game and was sacked and now Scolari is under a bit of pressure for not playing a more expansive game.

Let that be a lesson to all those who want Mouriniho here he played a dour but winning style of football, to paraphrase long ball to Drogba who nods it to Lampard you see the picture that is emerging. Some managers know what it takes to win games in this league it needs effort, skill and desire things that are sadly lacking in some individuals at this club.

United have built their success on the effort of Keane, Ince, Robson, Pallister, Bruce, Scholes but aligned that with the flair of Giggs, Tranny, Cantona we havent yet got enough of the ones that would die for the cause and until we do we are going to get inconsistent performances but once those players are brought in I believe better things lie ahead

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I'm glad you've brought to my attention what he's brought to the club... Nothing. Now, I'm being patronising. Oh and thank you for the lack of 'tit' in your last response. There I go again. I just can't help it, can I? *Oops! Habit*

Do your feet touch the ground when you sit in front of your computer?

"You accuse me of being incapable of discussing the bigger picture, yet you are scathing of Mark Hughes without even beginning to acknowledge that there are underlying problems within the squad which simply won't be addressed overnight".

Do you mean Hughes can only work with certain type of players? Ones that feel they can follow blindly without questioning 'why so-and-so's not playing cos this other guy's not making any moves forward for a pass' kind of players? Do you mean the kick and chase players he feels so comfy with?

You are continuing to show your ignorance to the issues by blindly repeating the same bland observations that a few others on this board have made. Did we beat Pompey, Sunderland, Hull, West Ham, and Stoke playing kick and rush football? Did we fuck.

If you're talking about the types of players Hughes wants to bring in...why don't you wait until he's signed a few, and let them play a few games before castigating him. The Bellamy's and Parker's of this world may not be to your liking, hell they may not even be to my liking, but I'd like to see us find some stability in both performances and results. Something which we have lacked for year...

Haven't we, as fans, been down this corridor so many times before and that's why we felt an affinity with Sven? Didn't Sven's brand make us love football again? Make us feel 10ft tall even after an entertaining defeat? I won't compare a latter season because there's no comparison. We're beyond that now, when we compare the monies involved in this window, compared to last. And it's not the Sven thing I'm talking about. I'm talking about us playing football the way we always wanted to be associated with.

That's very passionate, i'll give you that. Emotional drivel with no real basis in reality, but passionate. I love the beautiful game, and wished we played football that way week in and week out. We need the players capable of doing it AND winning matches consistently. We didn't have that under Sven, and we don't have it now. Because it doesn't happen overnight. Right now I'd rather be an ugly winner than a beautiful loser.

"Give Hughes time to get his own men in". Fine. Welcome back Route One Football. Knock it long to Roque, Roque nods on/ across to a runner. Yay, so long as we win. Dour, dour sh*te. So long as we win. This is what you want? This is what you'll get. As long as we win type football. It won't attract class players, I assure you, so we'll be right back where we are.

Right here, right now, mid table area.

You don't actually offer anything to discuss with, do you BS. Apt, those initials.

LOL. Comedy gold there. BS. Apt initials. Did you think that up all by yourself.

Seriously, I've argued the toss with many posters over the years, and had plenty of reasoned and well thought out arguments put me in my place. You have failed miserably, and are now in danger of disappearing up your own arsehole in search of a decent point.

I'll leave those who read this exchange to make their own minds up about who the bigger tosser of the two of us is...

(BTW, you should try buying the same kind of shoes as Tom Cruise...they did wonders for his self-esteem...)