Confused....and angry

[rastus]

The case is unproven. How it could possibly be proven after 4 months I do not know!

No need to re-hash all the old arguments, but mammutly I have agreed with you about Jo, and Hughes has had barely no time at all to build his own team.

I don't buy the argument that we should be doing much better with the existing players. They were performing poorly last season, and there were major problems. Robinho and SWP have fixed the goal-scoring problems, but they could never fill the holes in midfield. In fact they have got worse given Johnson's long term absence who waa hugely significant in our good start last season.

Agree 100% balance is our biggest problem at the moment, we simply don't have a spine

So that must be Elanos fault, the defence, that poor welshman must be having a nightmare ;-)
Get shut of the lot of em.
However we shouldnt be fighting a relagation battle, come on Mr Tactician, Mr Motivator do the business.

 

[lastmanback]

Which all points to the fact that Hughes was a bad appointment in the first place. I dunno about you lot but the last thing I want to see is a 'hard' manager managing a 'hard' team. It's clear some of the players have absolutely no respect for him and that's only gonna get worse should we get some big name players.

Look, for whatever reason MH has got a good squad of players based on ability and for whatever reason he isn't getting the best of them.

maybe the players should pick the next manager. Snap out of it. If you pick a team to play in the match, you should be glad to be playing and go out and make the effort. You go to work do your job and scratch your arse because your asked to do something different to your usual you won't last long there either.. Football the same. We have a team with a dodgy defence and no defensive midfield. Kompany better center half but has to be used there because All attack minded midfield players. We are not a unit. Why do you assume any other manager would have came in and got this bunch to play any different. A team has a defence, midfield and forward line. Why did the team that started last season so well not finnish even half as good. Opponents find your weakness and exploit it. We have no midfield so defence is over worked and more prone to make mistakes as a result. Not as straight forward as get Mourinho he'll wave magic wand and nobody will notice we are shit in defence and no bite in midfield.

 

[Blue2112]

Ive said on another thread that Ive also heard some things that make me scratch my head in confusion. I don't think Hughes is entirely blameless but last season its common knowledge Sven let them get away with it lightly, I know if the foreign contingent complained about training being too difficult then they were given an easy ride whereas the British based players just got on with it, these things fester and it splits players into divisions. Hughes walks in with the remit to strengthen the squad, make them fitter etc...There are a number of things that as a squad they do together and some of them dont like it, well tough titty in my opinion,they're paid handsomely and if they don't want to tow the party line why the fuck should the manager kop for it. Within weeks of Hughes arrival we were taken over and the mandate changed drastically more than than any of us could ever have imagined.

They're will be other changes made over the coming months in other aspects of the club where we are failing, for example look at the injuries certain players seem to continually pick up. There is a major project going on to transform City into one of the top clubs on and off the pitch in the world not just the Premiership, if the players want to try and destabilise the manager or his backroom staff, whats to say they wont do the same thing if another new guy comes in. It stops now and that should send a message to anyone else in the future, I'll say it again ifplayers fuck around with Fergurso theyre gone its as simple as and they generally more often than not give or take go backwards in their career. Well we have the opportunity to start right now and take this club to the very top and no player or manager is bigger than the club but the manager surely should get the support first and foremost.

I hear what you're saying but don't really see what your point is? Are you not stating that we need a bigger, stronger manager with a bigger reputation and who has experience of handling the best players around the world?

There's a number of maangers I'd much rather prefer, you know my views I'd rather see anyone without the connection but I'm not going down that road for now.

I honestly don't know if Hughes can mangage the top drawer players when the time comes too, I do believe for now we have to start adding some good Premiership players, apart from 6/7 clubs the premiership isn't that strong and with the addition of Bridge, Parker and possibly the likes of RSC, Toure etc I would expect us to climb the table and put us in a healthier position to tempt other star attractions, we might only pick up one per window between now and next January but that add to a healthier collection of stronger physically and mentally prepared players who more importantly actually want to be here and yes play for Hughes then we will be a more complete team/club again. If a Mourinho can be tempted then I'd do it but at present I really think thats a non starter. The summer may be a totally different ball game though.

 

[jay_mcfc]

maybe the players should pick the next manager. Snap out of it. If you pick a team to play in the match, you should be glad to be playing and go out and make the effort. You go to work do your job and scratch your arse because your asked to do something different to your usual you won't last long there either.. Football the same. We have a team with a dodgy defence and no defensive midfield. Kompany better center half but has to be used there because All attack minded midfield players. We are not a unit. Why do you assume any other manager would have came in and got this bunch to play any different. A team has a defence, midfield and forward line. Why did the team that started last season so well not finnish even half as good. Opponents find your weakness and exploit it. We have no midfield so defence is over worked and more prone to make mistakes as a result. Not as straight forward as get Mourinho he'll wave magic wand and nobody will notice we are shit in defence and no bite in midfield.

I never have and never will be a member of 'they're just not trying' club that football fans get themselves all wet about whenever a team goes on a bad run. No because problems are usually a lot deeper rooted than something like that.

 

[eato]

Agree 100% balance is our biggest problem at the moment, we simply don't have a spine

So that must be Elanos fault, the defence, that poor welshman must be having a nightmare ;-)
Get shut of the lot of em.
However we shouldnt be fighting a relagation battle, come on Mr Tactician, Mr Motivator do the business.

I think on paper we have a good squad and I must admit that every time I see the team sheet I can't believe that the likes of Everton at COMS can live wth us but the fact is we've got no balance. If we dont score first and knock a team off there game plan we are clueless because we leak goals for fun. We have a weak midfield that exposes an average backline that has to cover for a very poor Michael Ball therefore dragging the whole defence out of shape.

How many times has Dunne given away free kicks in dangerous wide areas because he is covering for ball's wanderings.

I really belive that a few uninspiring signings in this window will make all the difference and we will really kick on

 

[rastus]

So that must be Elanos fault, the defence, that poor welshman must be having a nightmare ;-)
Get shut of the lot of em.
However we shouldnt be fighting a relagation battle, come on Mr Tactician, Mr Motivator do the business.

I think on paper we have a good squad and I must admit that every time I see the team sheet I can't believe that the likes of Everton at COMS can live wth us but the fact is we've got no balance. If we dont score first and knock a team off there game plan we are clueless because we leak goals for fun. We have a weak midfield that exposes an average backline that has to cover for a very poor Michael Ball therefore dragging the whole defence out of shape.

How many times has Dunne given away free kicks in dangerous wide areas because he is covering for ball's wanderings.

I really belive that a few uninspiring signings in this window will make all the difference and we will really kick on

I really hope so, but hughes has made our defence into a nervous wreck. Micah, tbh at left back, hoofing the ball including hart, that is an instruction to do that.
My point is that its not all the players fault all of the time.
Remember Micah that fantastic world beating potential? no niether do I.

 

[eato]

[quote="rastusI really hope so, but hughes has made our defence into a nervous wreck. Micah, tbh at left back, hoofing the ball including hart, that is an instruction to do that.
My point is that its not all the players fault all of the time.
Remember Micah that fantastic world beating potential? no niether do I.[/quote]

We hoofed the ball last year and I think that is down to a lack of confidence and no out ball

Something has happened with the defence this year because it aint that different to the one we had last year. I think that Johnson is the difference and the sooner we get a box to box player (parker) in the side we will see a difference

 

[rastus]

[quote="rastusI really hope so, but hughes has made our defence into a nervous wreck. Micah, tbh at left back, hoofing the ball including hart, that is an instruction to do that.
My point is that its not all the players fault all of the time.
Remember Micah that fantastic world beating potential? no niether do I.

We hoofed the ball last year and I think that is down to a lack of confidence and no out ball

Something has happened with the defence this year because it aint that different to the one we had last year. I think that Johnson is the difference and the sooner we get a box to box player (parker) in the side we will see a difference[/quote]

yes again i hope so, give them more protection and movement with the abilty to go forward.
and parker will hopefully make a difference, no will make a difference

 

[eato]

[quote="rastusI really hope so, but hughes has made our defence into a nervous wreck. Micah, tbh at left back, hoofing the ball including hart, that is an instruction to do that.
My point is that its not all the players fault all of the time.
Remember Micah that fantastic world beating potential? no niether do I.

We hoofed the ball last year and I think that is down to a lack of confidence and no out ball

Something has happened with the defence this year because it aint that different to the one we had last year. I think that Johnson is the difference and the sooner we get a box to box player (parker) in the side we will see a difference

yes again i hope so, give them more protection and movement with the abilty to go forward.
and parker will hopefully make a difference, no will make a difference[/quote]

Thats the spirit fella ;) if we can all think like that then who knows what we can achieve :) or is that too positive?

 

[Wooderbeen]

At the risk of repeating myself and others, I've got no problem with Hughes receiving a considerable amount of criticism for the part he has played in the disappointment that this season has been so far. What I find completely and utterly blinkered however, is this view that the players are somehow blameless and that if they don't perform then it is Hughes' fault. It's a view that is just plain wrong. Not opinion... just wrong.

Hughes' tactics and selections have at time bordered on insane but once those players are on the pitch they have a responsibility to him, the club, us, hell even themselves, to put in a hard graft and do what they can. Everyone has off days, I get that, but when competent players continually put in sub standard performances then I question them and them alone.

As I said, I'll blame Hughes for his apparent tactical ineptitude and for picking dross such as Vassell and Ball when he had better options, but I won't blame him for the players on the pitch playing like they have nothing riding on it.

I don't want Hughes to be sacked if I'm honest, but I would completely understand if he was and wouldn't be too bothered. That said, regardless of the manager in charge, I want to see a considerable amount of deadwood around Eastlands banished from the club for good.