Coronavirus (2021) thread

[hammocity]

Im not sure fines work. Listening to Jeremy Vine today who was talking to the gym owner who refuses to close. He's been fined 3 times and said he simply hasn't paid them. Each fine was £1k

I heard that idiot, he said if it costs him money to prevent one suicide from one of his customers due to mental health then it's worth it. No understanding that just one person could transmit Covid and ultimately death due to his irresponsible actions.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

in 3 weeks 88 percent of people who die from this will have had the vaccine (or been offered it!). In 6 weeks 95 percent. Once the hospitals have capacity and we have done the above and it is seen to be working they will be opening up society. If loads of people get it who are under 50 - 99.9 percent of them will be absolutely fine. This is not happy clapping it is a fact is it not?

We have to be careful about opening up society. It shouldn’t be done for a good while yet.

It’s not about people under 50 not being particularly negatively affected by Covid, it’s that a greater spread of the virus will increase the mutation rates. So the more we open things up, the more it’s spread around, the more it will mutate, and one of these mutations could be one that by passes the vaccine and we’re back to square one.

For me, we should be immunising the entire population of the country, having no community spread, only then open society up, at the same time as keeping the borders closed long after we’re all vaccinated so that no new variants are coming into the country, and keep producing the vaccine for the rest of the world.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

so we vaccinate people but keep all the restrictions just in case and we effectively just give up on large sectors of our economy such as music, arts hospitality and entertainment forever. They have been sacrificed so far for this virus and some on here think that that should continue presumably in perpetuity to deal with new variants. Which lets be honest are going to keep appearing. Personally i dont think thats a realistic option going forwards. Its easy for those who have no vested interest in those sectors to make such decisions, but it doesnt make it fair.

What I mean by my last statement is that the government during the last economic recession pumped between £400bn and £500bn into the banking sector. Last year they put in £1.5bn into the arts and entertainment sector and very little of that filtered down to individual people and when questioned about the lack of support they told people to retrain.

The economy would be more harshly affected if we go back to square one again because we were stupid and opened up society too soon.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

There is also the suggestion that ASTRA ZENECA jab reduces transmission.
Meanwhile, Macron and others continue to say this drug is not safe or not effective and UK taking risks. No evidence at all for these assertions. Disgraceful. Presumably, then, the French will not want any of this jab.

The Covidiot behaviour from Macron is a bit embarrassing. I am just glad that (so far) the Oxford / AZ vaccine has been proving the doubters wrong. The proof of the pudding will be in the protection it gives to our Country / people and hopefully the Pfizer jabs will be very effective “in the real world” too. The signs are positive.

 

[KS55]

so we vaccinate people but keep all the restrictions just in case and we effectively just give up on large sectors of our economy such as music, arts hospitality and entertainment forever. They have been sacrificed so far for this virus and some on here think that that should continue presumably in perpetuity to deal with new variants. Which lets be honest are going to keep appearing. Personally i dont think thats a realistic option going forwards. Its easy for those who have no vested interest in those sectors to make such decisions, but it doesnt make it fair.

What I mean by my last statement is that the government during the last economic recession pumped between £400bn and £500bn into the banking sector. Last year they put in £1.5bn into the arts and entertainment sector and very little of that filtered down to individual people and when questioned about the lack of support they told people to retrain.

Removing restrictions is a finely balanced decision. We must not let the economy completely wither, that leads to life threatening situations (eg domestic violence) and serious mental health issues. Not an easy call, so let us not be too hasty to criticise.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

The Covidiot behaviour from Macron is a bit embarrassing. I am just glad that (so far) the Oxford / AZ vaccine has been proving the doubters wrong. The proof of the pudding will be in the protection it gives to our Country / people and hopefully the Pfizer jabs will be very effective “in the real world” too. The signs are positive.

If it continues the go well and the UK gets a major gain out of the vaccines over the EU it'll be spun to ignore comments like Macron and we'll be painted as bad UK for not giving them all our ordered vaccines as they buggered up at their end.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

If it continues the go well and the UK gets a major gain out of the vaccines over the EU it'll be spun to ignore comments like Macron and we'll be painted as bad UK for not giving them all our ordered vaccines as they buggered up at their end.

We like the EU should have enough on plates without trying to score points. By the middle of this year there should be enough vaccines for everyone across Europe.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

We like the EU should have enough on plates without trying to score points. By the middle of this year there should be enough vaccines for everyone across Europe.

I agree but the European early doors shitshow will be deflected onto us to save face.

 

[KS55]

We like the EU should have enough on plates without trying to score points. By the middle of this year there should be enough vaccines for everyone across Europe.

British ministers have been very placatory in their response to some provocation from France and the EU, yet a commissioner accuses us of wanting to start a vaccine war. Maddening.
Surprised Senor Teabag has not stuck his oar in!

 

[hammocity]

Worrying that we could be playing wack a mole with it for.... A long time.

Lovely with a Mexican Taco