Coronavirus (2021) thread

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I agree mate. The Government also have to factor in the estimated result of easing the last restrictions, to a finely balanced decision.

I am not convinced that we are ready for a free for all on international travel. That’s the biggest stumbling block IMHO
It always goes down to the wire. Look at Xmas. Then schools in January.

The difference this time is that they aren’t saying that it’s definitely happening on 21st June. That suggests they already know.
 
I think we're in a bit of a middle ground at the moment, and I certainly wouldn't say you can do pretty much anything you want.

Compared to a few months ago then life is undoubtedly much less restrictive, and plenty of social things have returned as you mention.

But (speaking personally though I'm sure this is applicable to others) the things I really want to do still can't be done.
With international travel prohibitive, gigs and events still on the shelf and live football only in it's infancy of returning, the big aspects and passions of my life pre-Covid have yet to come back.

I appreciate that if you're someone who is quite content with going for a drink or meal out and not overly fussed about other stuff as above then life is perhaps close to normal these days. Shops are open, weather is good.

But for me, I wanna travel, watch City in a full stadium and go to gigs (proper gigs, not the socially distant shite), and none can be done at the moment.

Like I said, feels like a middle ground where we ain't in a lockdown but we also await the return of various things.
Will just have to be patient I guess.
This has been an issue all the way through.

Whats normal for one isnt for another.
So the person that doesnt really go out or go on foreign holidays or go to sporting/music events would be happy for lock down to continue as it makes no odds to them

I remember an article in the MEN where a woman said she wants us to stay locked down as she is stuck at home with the kids anyway , so if we are All locked down it makes her feel better as she isnt missing out then.
 
If June 21st is on a knife edge, going to the wire, too close to call etc then it should be delayed. If it's that tight it's obviously not worth the risk.

The other point is 'Freedom Day' as the media call it....just calling it that is giving the general public the wrong idea.
“Freedom Day” is for the muppets who fantasise about Boris Johnson’s Eton and Bullingdon Club upbringing.

Everyone on here would like the restrictions to end on 21st June if that’s in our populations best interests but the decision makers needs to weigh up the range of relevant evidence. They should t be persuaded by a minority of snowflakes who can’t wear a mask in a supermarket.
 
Big mistake putting dates on the govt roadmap, although tbf the govt also stressed it would be data not dates that decided the timing of the ease of restrictions. The media will continue to hype, politicise and otherwise pressure the situation and possibly endanger life just to generate clicks.
 
India reports highest number of daily deaths in the world since the start of the pandemic

A total of 6,148 deaths have been reported in the last 24 hours, making it the highest single-day death toll from COVID-19 in the world.
 
India reports highest number of daily deaths in the world since the start of the pandemic

A total of 6,148 deaths have been reported in the last 24 hours, making it the highest single-day death toll from COVID-19 in the world.

Proportionally vs population, that's the equivalent of 305 deaths a day in the UK. Although, you'd expect there would be a large number of deaths unreported in India.
 
India reports highest number of daily deaths in the world since the start of the pandemic

A total of 6,148 deaths have been reported in the last 24 hours, making it the highest single-day death toll from COVID-19 in the world.
Surely a reporting effect. Some kind of catch-up in the data?

I compare the daily change in new cases across the world when I can be bothered. South Africa flagged up. It doubled, and its part of a trend...
 
Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS providers:

“An increase in Covid admissions would set back efforts to tackle the long backlog of treatment for other health problems.”

I think at times we forget that when we talk about hospital admissions and patient care, it's not just about Covid, but about how this will affect so many people who require medical treatment, some of whom have been waiting for a long time.
 
Proportionally vs population, that's the equivalent of 305 deaths a day in the UK. Although, you'd expect there would be a large number of deaths unreported in India.
You can do better than that. Does it reflect something in the data reporting or the epidemic?
 
lots of conversation now about the inexorable rise of cases and the linkage between hospitalisation and death. This three link stat-chain we've got going on.

Cases: undeniably rising, and quickly, driven by the Delta variant. Data strongly suggesting younger demographic is far more represented this around than any previous time (even accounting for sampling bias via testing strategy)

Hospitalisation: rising at the moment. It is unclear what is happening here, although some evidence suggests younger people are admitted in greater numbers and might require less serious treatment and that more serious treatment is bias towards those with no or one vaccine jab. Double jabbed folks might be limited to those who have conditions or are just damn unlucky. Public data really lacking on the vaccinated status of those going in. Sub-situation here is those who need serious intervention, is this relationship between admission and ICU/ventilation changing.

Deaths: the last part of the chain has no discernable pattern as of yet. We can hope that with diminishing age of case, comes diminished IFR and further diminished serious illness through vaccination. I am afraid we might not know this right up until June 21, by which time we will be either sticking to or delaying that date.

So yeah, i am a little disappointed that apparently known cases to hospital ratio is now about 4.5%, and before was about 9%. That doesn't seem like a huge drop and some of that may actually be due to increased testing. However we must know more, or someone must, about the nature of hospital treatments. Mechanical ventilation appears to be on the up, ever so slightly, and is possibly the better indicator now of deaths to come? just a hypothesis.

i dont doubt that cases wont simply translate to deaths like they have in the past, but i am afraid some will. It just depends how many weeks after the case rise (started Bolton about Apr 27, started more widely ~3 weeks later) we see that effect - probably end of next week?

To me it makes not a great difference to delay 3 weeks and get a few more million double jabbed.

i do stress that any data after the black dashed line is likely to change, these are specimen/deaths dates.

cases_admissions_deaths.png
data is; case by specimen date, date of admission, n occupied MV beds and actual date of death. seven day rolling mean for smoothness. First horizontal line is April 27 when cases began to rise from baseline on Bolton, further lines are one week blocks. Black line is latest data minus 4 days.
 
“Freedom Day” is for the muppets who fantasise about Boris Johnson’s Eton and Bullingdon Club upbringing.

Everyone on here would like the restrictions to end on 21st June if that’s in our populations best interests but the decision makers needs to weigh up the range of relevant evidence. They should t be persuaded by a minority of snowflakes who can’t wear a mask in a supermarket.
Your posts have the ability to both disappoint and yet strike a chord.
Keep them up.
 
India reports highest number of daily deaths in the world since the start of the pandemic

A total of 6,148 deaths have been reported in the last 24 hours, making it the highest single-day death toll from COVID-19 in the world.
Am I right in thinking they are easing restrictions in the coming days too?
 
Surely a reporting effect. Some kind of catch-up in the data?

I compare the daily change in new cases across the world when I can be bothered. South Africa flagged up. It doubled, and its part of a trend...

They had done well to control Beta for some time but I've noticed cases there have been growing for a couple of weeks at least now.

I have no idea what the situation is over there though. Restrictions been eased and Beta is gaining a hold? Delta taking over? Alpha, even, at this time? Just going through the Greek alphabet now, be interested to know what the situation is and why the sudden rise.
 
lots of conversation now about the inexorable rise of cases and the linkage between hospitalisation and death. This three link stat-chain we've got going on.

Cases: undeniably rising, and quickly, driven by the Delta variant. Data strongly suggesting younger demographic is far more represented this around than any previous time (even accounting for sampling bias via testing strategy)

Hospitalisation: rising at the moment. It is unclear what is happening here, although some evidence suggests younger people are admitted in greater numbers and might require less serious treatment and that more serious treatment is bias towards those with no or one vaccine jab. Double jabbed folks might be limited to those who have conditions or are just damn unlucky. Public data really lacking on the vaccinated status of those going in. Sub-situation here is those who need serious intervention, is this relationship between admission and ICU/ventilation changing.

Deaths: the last part of the chain has no discernable pattern as of yet. We can hope that with diminishing age of case, comes diminished IFR and further diminished serious illness through vaccination. I am afraid we might not know this right up until June 21, by which time we will be either sticking to or delaying that date.

So yeah, i am a little disappointed that apparently known cases to hospital ratio is now about 4.5%, and before was about 9%. That doesn't seem like a huge drop and some of that may actually be due to increased testing. However we must know more, or someone must, about the nature of hospital treatments. Mechanical ventilation appears to be on the up, ever so slightly, and is possibly the better indicator now of deaths to come? just a hypothesis.

i dont doubt that cases wont simply translate to deaths like they have in the past, but i am afraid some will. It just depends how many weeks after the case rise (started Bolton about Apr 27, started more widely ~3 weeks later) we see that effect - probably end of next week?

To me it makes not a great difference to delay 3 weeks and get a few more million double jabbed.

i do stress that any data after the black dashed line is likely to change, these are specimen/deaths dates.

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data is; case by specimen date, date of admission, n occupied MV beds and actual date of death. seven day rolling mean for smoothness. First horizontal line is April 27 when cases began to rise from baseline on Bolton, further lines are one week blocks. Black line is latest data minus 4 days.
I am more struck by the spread in children. It means there's no point locking down unless you're going to shut schools, and even then it's probably pointless because it will rebound anyway.

We need immunity in the general population And in each social group.

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They had done well to control Beta for some time but I've noticed cases there have been growing for a couple of weeks at least now.

I have no idea what the situation is over there though. Restrictions been eased and Beta is gaining a hold? Delta taking over? Alpha, even, at this time? Just going through the Greek alphabet now, be interested to know what the situation is and why the sudden rise.
The epidemic continues to fall rapidly in India. This must be a reporting issue. Deaths not accounted for etc.
 
Surely a reporting effect. Some kind of catch-up in the data?

I compare the daily change in new cases across the world when I can be bothered. South Africa flagged up. It doubled, and its part of a trend...

this could be a blip data wise as the do seem to be on a downward trend. but unfortunately, India has been massively under reporting due to lack of facilities and tracking capabilities. going by number of cremations ( info from last month ). they were at 25-50k extra deaths a day while reporting 3k.

What ever the official figures are, multiply by 10 at least to get a rough idea of where they really are.

A lot of the tracking abilities will be in cities. where last month kicked off, it was spread out from those to the rest of the country where the data is probably harder to track. so the decline may not even be "real"
 
I am more struck by the spread in children. It means there's no point locking down unless you're going to shut schools, and even then it's probably pointless because it will rebound anyway.

We need immunity in the general population And in each social group.

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delay June 21 to Friday Jul 2nd and start summer holidays early.

(obviously the practicalities for parents would be horrendous)
 
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