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Northern Ireland data:

Here too rising faster now but like everywhere else deaths still lower than they would be before


0 deaths - was 0 last week

375 cases - was 188 last week - doubling here now too

12.4% positivity - was 7.4% - these numbers escalating everywhere show this is not just more testing

4 care home outbreaks - was 4 yesterday and 3 last week

1852 rolling 7 day cases - was 1680 yesterday & 1143 last week

20 patients - was 19 yesterday and 17 last week

2 Ventilated - was 2 yesterday and 0 last week
 
Healdplace said:
Northern Ireland data:

Here too rising faster now but like everywhere else deaths still lower than they would be before


0 deaths - was 0 last week

375 cases - was 188 last week - doubling here now too

12.4% positivity - was 7.4% - these numbers escalating everywhere show this is not just more testing

4 care home outbreaks - was 4 yesterday and 3 last week

1852 rolling 7 day cases - was 1680 yesterday & 1143 last week

20 patients - was 19 yesterday and 17 last week

2 Ventilated - was 2 yesterday and 0 last week
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Can't get much lower than zero to be fair.
 
davealvers said:



Interesting thread and a lot of sense imo. Perhaps @Healdplace will become ‘redundant’ soon (tweet 5/8)…I’m sure she’ll be delighted to be!!
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I look forward to that day but most of it is what we have been saying in here for weeks.

It all really turns on preventing a real vaccine busting variant getting into the UK.

If we were an island who could stop that happening I would think we were in great shape to minimise even that.

But....well we are an island at least,

I hope that verdict is right in the thread that this is Covid's last hurrah attacking kids because they are the only easy target left.

But I suspect most scientists will err on the side of caution until the whole world - not just the UK - is near fully vaccinated.
 
Healdplace said:
I look forward to that day but most of it is what we have been saying in here for weeks.

It all really turns on preventing a real vaccine busting variant getting into the UK.

If we were an island who could stop that happening I would think we were in great shape to minimise even that.

But....well we are an island at least,

I hope that verdict is right in the thread that this is Covid's last hurrah attacking kids because they are the only easy target left.

But I suspect most scientists will err on the side of caution until the whole world - not just the UK - is near fully vaccinated.
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The usual progression of these viruses is they may become more infectious but mutations never reset the clock in terms of immunity. Even if a vaccine buster comes along, our immune systems are now primed to cope with it in some part and this should lead to at worse less severity compared to someone unvaccinated.

This is exactly the case with flu, flu does not affect the vast majority of people at all, not because they are vaccinated but because they have an immune system that can cope. It's sometimes nasty but 99% will go on to recover just fine. This is already true for most people who aren't vaccinated and who get COVID for the first time!

Personally I'm double jabbed and I am looking forward to going on holiday and enjoying life again, it's time to put fear aside and get back on with our lives.
 
inbetween said:
The usual progression of these viruses is they may become more infectious but mutations never reset the clock in terms of immunity. Even if a vaccine buster comes along, our immune systems are now primed to cope with it in some part and this should lead to at worse less severity compared to someone unvaccinated.

This is exactly the case with flu, flu does not affect the vast majority of people at all, not because they are vaccinated but because they have an immune system that can cope. It's sometimes nasty but 99% will go on to recover just fine. This is already true for most people who aren't vaccinated and who get COVID for the first time!

Personally I'm double jabbed and I am looking forward to going on holiday and enjoying life again, it's time to put fear aside and get back on with our lives.
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Also, as discussed the other day the whole idea of a ‘vaccine buster’ isn’t likely to happen anyhow because for the virus to mutate to such an extent as to be able to evade the vaccines would in reality mean it had mutated so much that it would end up making the virus itself non-functional.

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davealvers said:



Interesting thread and a lot of sense imo. Perhaps @Healdplace will become ‘redundant’ soon (tweet 5/8)…I’m sure she’ll be delighted to be!!
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Be a few on here disappointed if not vaccinating kids ends up being the recommendation. Some were begging to have their kids given something which hasn’t been proven safe for them when I dared to say I wouldn’t let my 5 year old have it yet.
 
3887 cases in Scotland

109 aged 65+
650 aged 45-64

1296 aged 25-44
1807 aged 0-24

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3 deaths

1 aged 75-84
1 aged 65-74
1 aged 45-64

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17.5k first doses
11k second doses
 
True_Blue69 said:
Be a few on here disappointed if not vaccinating kids ends up being the recommendation. Some were begging to have their kids given something which hasn’t been proven safe for them when I dared to say I wouldn’t let my 5 year old have it yet.
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Be nice to get some nuance on here.

The Pfizer jab has been approved as safe and efficacious in 12-15 yos. However, rare adverse events can't be ruled out.

COVID has been shown to cause significant long term effects in a reasonable % of children who catch it (I've seen figures of between 5-25% quoted).

Pretty much all children can be expected to catch COVID unless we vaccinate them.

Vaccinating children will also protect wider society from COVID.

The policy for children has always been acknowledged as a difficult ethical issue.

I'd certainly like my 16yo vaccinated ASAP. I wouldn't criticise anyone who took a different position. Nobody is suggesting 5yos are vaccinated now, but if I had a clinically vulnerable 5yo I'd be desperate for them to be protected.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
This week compared to last for hospital admissions in Scotland

158 (+15 on previous week)

Ages

85+: 6 (+1)
75-84: 13 (+7)
65-75: 15 (+6)

45-64: 36 (-1)
25-44: 55 (-11)

Under 25s: 33 (+13) this figure of 33 includes 12 kids aged just 0-4.

Don't really know what to take from that, especially the part in the middle.
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This week's hospital admission numbers are compared to *2 weeks ago*, as never done a comparison last week at all. Just incase there's any confusion these don't correlate to actual patients in hospital which is a higher number but just to the ages of those admitted the past 7 days.

244 total admissions (57 more than 2 weeks ago)

85+: 16 (+10)
75-84: 25 (+12)
65-74: 23 (+8)

45-64: 53(+17)
25-44: 79 (+24)

Under 25s: 48 (+15), includes 15 kids aged 0-4.

Hospital admissions rising amongst every age group.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Be nice to get some nuance on here.

The Pfizer jab has been approved as safe and efficacious in 12-15 yos. However, rare adverse events can't be ruled out.

COVID has been shown to cause significant long term effects in a reasonable % of children who catch it (I've seen figures of between 5-25% quoted).

Pretty much all children can be expected to catch COVID unless we vaccinate them.

Vaccinating children will also protect wider society from COVID.

The policy for children has always been acknowledged as a difficult ethical issue.

I'd certainly like my 16yo vaccinated ASAP. I wouldn't criticise anyone who took a different position. Nobody is suggesting 5yos are vaccinated now, but if I had a clinically vulnerable 5yo I'd be desperate for them to be protected.
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12-15 year olds can register for vaccination here from tomorrow. I left it to my daughter (15) to decide for herself and she has decided that she wishes to go ahead and register for the vaccine.

I am a little uncomfortable about it (though not really sure why) but I understand her reasons and will support her in her decision.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Be nice to get some nuance on here.

The Pfizer jab has been approved as safe and efficacious in 12-15 yos. However, rare adverse events can't be ruled out.

COVID has been shown to cause significant long term effects in a reasonable % of children who catch it (I've seen figures of between 5-25% quoted).

Pretty much all children can be expected to catch COVID unless we vaccinate them.

Vaccinating children will also protect wider society from COVID.

The policy for children has always been acknowledged as a difficult ethical issue.

I'd certainly like my 16yo vaccinated ASAP. I wouldn't criticise anyone who took a different position. Nobody is suggesting 5yos are vaccinated now, but if I had a clinically vulnerable 5yo I'd be desperate for them to be protected.
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Clinically vulnerable is a totally different story and yes, I would do the same.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
This week's hospital admission numbers are compared to *2 weeks ago*, as never done a comparison last week at all. Just incase there's any confusion these don't correlate to actual patients in hospital which is a higher number but just to the ages of those admitted the past 7 days.

244 total admissions (57 more than 2 weeks ago)

85+: 16 (+10)
75-84: 25 (+12)
65-74: 23 (+8)

45-64: 53(+17)
25-44: 79 (+24)

Under 25s: 48 (+15), includes 15 kids aged 0-4.

Hospital admissions rising amongst every age group.
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Interesting numbers.

Suggests to me that the vaccine rollout down to 18yos should make a significant further dent on those, as a fair proportion of <44yos are probably still waiting at least 2nd jab, and some first?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Horrible report on radio 4 that gtr manchester had suffered a 25% higher Covid fatality rate than the rest of England due to inequalities in housing, poverty , healthcare etc.
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Manchester death rate 25% higher than the rest of England?
Hardly surprising with the some of the worst rates of hospital infection control in the UK.

5 of my older relatives have caught infections in Greater Manchester hospitals and 3 died from them.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Manchester death rate 25% higher than the rest of England?
Hardly surprising with the some of the worst rates of hospital infection control in the UK.

5 of my older elatives have caught infections in Greater Manchester hospitals and 3 died from them.
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Sorry to hear that. My aunt did too.

Went into Wythenshawe hospital with a heart problem last year. Caught covid inside. Never came out. We weren’t even allowed to see her.

So forgive me if I wasn’t happy clapping on my doorstep every week.
 
Deaths and hospitalisations are seemingly on a very slight incline - essentialy flat. I think we can say that most restrictions will be lifted on the 19th of July.
In fact I think the school bubble bursting rules need to be changed this weekend to those in the current trial. More kids need to catch it IMO and get immunity for the next variant of concern. September may be too late.
 
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johnnymarrsbarres said:
Sorry to hear that. My aunt did too.

Went into Wythenshawe hospital with a heart problem last year. Caught covid inside. Never came out. We weren’t even allowed to see her.

So forgive me if I wasn’t happy clapping on my doorstep every week.
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Sorry to hear- but yes it is shocking and a massive failure of the NHS.
 
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