Coronavirus (2021) thread

[zerox]

But hospitals are reporting that their Covid patients now are younger.

Well that is obvious, if there are less old patients, them patients are younger

 

[Healdplace]

Wales vaccination update:

869, 653 first doses given - 7405 yesterday - up from 2165 day before

49, 729 second doses given - 6977 yesterday - up from 4977 day before


Weekly 1st doses last 7 days - 73, 726

Weekly 2nd doses last 7 days - 42, 478

As you can see first doses reduced (and mostly AZ at present) and second doses big ramp up where much of the reduced Pfizer supply is going as many of the early doses needing second doses were Pfizer as it started use earlier than AZ.

This will be true in other nations too as the Pfizer issue is a UK one.

 

[Vic]

Well that is obvious, if there are less old patients, them patients are younger

The implication is that the number of younger patients is higher than previously, so higher in absolute numbers not just the average age.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

The Beeb. Only last week mocking restrictions for not going far enough and finding impossible loopholes to legislate for.
Today, according to Nick Robinson, crushing the hopes and dreams of people by not relaxing them now.

 

[Vic]

Wales vaccination update:

869, 653 first doses given - 7405 yesterday - up from 2165 day before

49, 729 second doses given - 6977 yesterday - up from 4977 day before


Weekly 1st doses last 7 days - 73, 726

Weekly 2nd doses last 7 days - 42, 478

As you can see first doses reduced (and mostly AZ at present) and second doses big ramp up where much of the reduced Pfizer supply is going as many of the early doses needing second doses were Pfizer as it started use earlier than AZ.

This will be true in other nations too as the Pfizer issue is a UK one.

I wanted the AZ in case the Pfizer supply could not be guaranteed for a second dose in April.

I'm told AZ are storing vaccines. If that's to fulfil the UK contract, while not fulfilling the EU contract, that would be an issue. It's a source who works at AZ but it's something I've not seen elsewhere.

 

[Healdplace]

The ONS data today on deaths in care homes matches all the evidence we are seeing elsewhere.

Such as in the out of hospital add ons from England that two or three weeks ago were 500 or so a day added on in mid week with weekend catch up - but were about half that last week.

Or the care home outbreaks in N Ireland which they record daily that fell from over 100 3 weeks ago to 44 yesterday - lowest for months. That had fallen 33 from 79 in just one week too.

This is all pointing to the vaccines working and saving older lives.

As these drops are much faster than they were in the wave last Spring when we had no vaccine.

Though we also had no treatments that we do now that sae lives that were lost then and, I suspect, a more strictly followed and tighter lockdown than now in some respects.

So it is indicative of vaccine success but not quite proof.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Hint of sarcasm there?

Absolutely not mate, was being genuine.

It was only when a mum tweeted her child's lunch for the week that he got involved.

It's a legitimate suggestion. I bought all new uniform, PE kits and shoes last summer and half of it can't be used now.

They got a couple months wear out of it before lockdown and various bubble quarantines.

We would usually be able to afford/buy new sizes but the shops that stock their uniforms have been shut since summer and couple out of business.

The schools my kids attend hand the contracts out to independent stockists.

 

[Healdplace]

I wanted the AZ in case the Pfizer supply could not be guaranteed for a second dose in April.

I'm told AZ are storing vaccines. If that's to fulfil the UK contract, while not fulfilling the EU contract, that would be an issue. It's a source who works at AZ but it's something I've not seen elsewhere.

After the way some EU nations tried to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine frankly they deserve any such tardiness. Let them use the better vaccines they are not attempting to damage.

Obviously fulfil contracts but if you can supply those who backed you for real as the UK did with any surplus or ramp up supply for them on request then I see nothing wrong with them doing so.

You reap what you sow when you play politics. You earn what you pay for when you financially support a successful vaccine whilst others were sceptical. Applies to the UK government AND the EU.

Same will happen soon with the French vaccine that was not supported in France but was here so they are making it in Scotland.

You do not stop other nations benefiting from your foresightedness but you earn first dibs.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The implication is that the number of younger patients is higher than previously, so higher in absolute numbers not just the average age.

Numbers hospitalised have more than halved in recent weeks so it seems highly unlikely that more younger patients are currently in than previously. As pointed out, as the numbers of elderly patients reduce then the proportion of younger patients in a much lower number increases.

 

[Vic]

After the way some EU nations tried to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine frankly they deserve any such tardiness. Let them use the better vaccines they are not attempting to damage.

Obviously fulfil contracts but if you can supply those who backed you for real as the UK did with any surpluss or ramp up supply for them on request then I see nothing wrong with them doing so.
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You reap what you sow when you play politics. Applies to the UK government AND the EU.

I don't want to revisit the EU spat over the contracts but I don't get why you'd hoard vaccines (if it is happening) while saying other nations (EU or developing nations) should not be left behind.