Coronavirus (2021) thread

[03 March 2002]

Because the virus isn’t “no fucking risk to 5 year olds”. And because there isn’t evidence of anything untoward with regards AZ.

You’re choosing to cherry pick your own ‘evidence’, and ignoring actual science.

No doubt part of the 'it's just the flu' brigade, highly qualified individuals making rational statements and decisions.

 

[SWP's back]

No doubt part of the 'it's just the flu' brigade, highly qualified individuals making rational statements and decisions.

It’s a new thread so I can’t check, but I’m pretty sure he was one of the posters that was linking YouTube videos about the “plandemic” 12 months ago.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

For me yes, for anyone under 30 it’s looking like it might be no. Not many under 30 will have had it in the scheme of things and it sounds like there is sufficient evidence to stop giving the AZ one to them. Why would I give a 5 year old a vaccine that may have a risk to protect against a virus that is no risk?

Do you know the figures of people who have died from Covid under the age of 30? I just had a look a look and i cant find the data. You could be right but unless the figures prove this its just a guess isnt it?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

1 in 100,000 fit and healthy 5 year olds die from covid? What a load of shite.

Sound about right. There are about 775,000 5 year olds in the UK. So you’re talking about 7-8 deaths.

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data:

3 deaths - was 5 last week

57 cases - was 151 last week

That's all we have so far.

If the rest updates I will edit this post.

 

[Marvin]

I don't know what the IFR for the individual age groups are but note that they are rates, i.e., deaths per infection.

 

[SWP's back]

No doubt part of the 'it's just the flu' brigade, highly qualified individuals making rational statements and decisions.

In fact I just checked, joined 2008 but all his posts are about covid. Literally relentless since February last year. Here are a handful (can’t quote them as normal as they’re on closed threads):

“Medical experts think most people went even know they've had it, it can be that mild. Can't believe the scaremongering going on over this, check out how many people died of flu in the US alone on 2018, didn't hear of any flights cancelled or food shortages. 13k died in the UK in 2008 and not a peep. The biggest threat with this are the idiots panicking over something that happens every winter.”
———
“One positive from all this is that despite Karen confirming she has it, she has maintained a solid presence on the site. With a bad dose of flu you wouldn't even want to look at a phone / computer let alone interact with it. Get well soon Karen.”
———
“Come on, 80 people (reported) out of 70 million have it! Let's not go to ground just yet.”
———
“What are you on about? An average of 5 people die on UK roads a day hardly going make any difference at all.”

He’s been entirely wrong and/or underplayed the severity of covid for 14 months. He isn’t going to stop now, nor is he likely to post on any other thread either, which is a bit weird.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Here's an article on risks for children based on the first wave.



And here's another source for how risk changes with age.

Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Systematic Review, Meta-Analysis, and Public Policy Implications

Objective Determine age-specific infection fatality rates for COVID-19 to inform public health policies and communications that help protect vulnerable age groups. Methods Studies of COVID-19 prevalence were collected by conducting an online search of published articles, preprints, and...

www.medrxiv.org

Both are consistent with @SWP's back BMJ reference.

Equally, neither give any information on whether the fatalities were associated with other health issues in those affected ie may not applicable to generally healthy children.

FWIW, once clinical trials are complete, I think there's an overwhelming case for inoculation of children of all ages who have conditions that make them vulnerable to be vaccinated.

I think there's an extremely strong case for all secondary school age children, where death rates are higher and reports of serious "long covid" conditions seem to be higher too.

For primary age children, general vaccination is ethically much more difficult, given the small benefit to the children themselves. *If* the virus can't be controlled in the wider population without it, it probably makes sense, but if it can be, it probably doesn't.

But these are just ramblings. I think it's a difficult one.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths week to week:

372 / 67 NW / 19% (down 22% wk to wk)

279 / 59 NW . 20% (down 25% wk to wk)

164 / 35 NW / 21% (down 41% wk to wk)

101 / 26 NW / 26% (down 37% wk to wk)

98 / 19 NW / 19% (down 3% wk to wk)

40 / 8 NW / 20% (down 61% wk to wk)

12 / 1 NW / 9% (down 70% wk to wk) TODAY

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I don't know what the IFR for the individual age groups are but note that they are rates, i.e., deaths per infection.

From the second reference I just posted. Note log scale.