Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Resurrection Joe...]

Two of my mates have lost parents to this horrible illness bud. Contrast that with the zero people I know that have died of flu.

No one likes a lock down. No one likes football without fans in attendance. No one likes having to vaccinated. But I prefer all of the above that losing a loved a one and hopefully within a few months, life will be pretty much back to a relative level of normality.

is the correct answer.

 

[True_Blue69]

Because the virus isn’t “no fucking risk to 5 year olds”. And because there isn’t evidence of anything untoward with regards AZ.

You’re choosing to cherry pick your own ‘evidence’, and ignoring actual science.

Science is saying potentially don’t give it to under 30s which is my whole point.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Science is saying potentially don’t give it to under 30s which is my whole point.

is it really saying that. Why is that, if over 3000 people under 30 have died from it in the US. I guess there must be about 700 to 1000 in the UK under 30 that have died of it based on the US figures. But because their might be a link to the vaccine you appear to be sugesting that its better to let 700 to a 1000 people die and possibly save 7 deaths caused by blood clots. The numbers dont stack up do they?

 

[mancity1]

Two of my mates have lost parents to this horrible illness bud. Contrast that with the zero people I know that have died of flu.

No one likes a lock down. No one likes football without fans in attendance. No one likes having to vaccinated. But I prefer all of the above that losing a loved a one and hopefully within a few months, life will be pretty much back to a relative level of normality.

Summarised superbly SWP and my heart goes out to your mates this can be an terrible disease that takes over your immune system quickly.

Anybody who genuinely thinks otherwise can still do their bit by sticking to the basics as its not much to ask for even it they do not believe in the reality of this disease and its impacts.

if they spent time in hospitals , quarantine , poorer countries , even developed countries at the frontline I am sure they would think again.

I lost an elderly friend and two distant relatives in nursing care and although its fair to say they were in the later stages of life no body of sound mind who cares about mankind and our frailties and the fact that through the wonder of science we have developed what appears to vaccines while never perfect do limit the infectiousness of the disease especially on the vulnerable who are often forgotten about by the rest of society at the best of times least of all in these times.

My mother moved back in with me after my father suddenly passed away and the threat to her is real given her state of health.

I could not live myself if through my stupidity or ego or whatever if I contracted it and passed it on to her.

 

[SWP's back]

Science is saying potentially don’t give it to under 30s which is my whole point.

And waiting for more trial data is absolutely correct before any roll out of vaccines for younger people. But you must see that a 5 year old isn’t “at no risk” from covid. They’re just, thankfully, at very very low risk.

 

[mancity1]

And waiting for more trial data is absolutely correct before any roll out of vaccines for younger people. But you must see that a 5 year old isn’t “at no risk” from covid. They’re just, thankfully, at very very low risk.

Correct and children are known to pass it on to older people in a family environment and in schools.

thankfully to date the strains and mutants don't appear to impact the young as significantly as they do the elderly and vulnerable with many comorbidities.

Those overweight , with diabetics and weakened immune systems at highest risk for example and they need to be vaccinated before the healthy and young.

its common sense to vaccinate the first responders and the elderly and vulnerable first its the humane and best way to minimise spread , those that treat those with the disease , transport them , clean after them etc etc.

 

[Healdplace]

Regional Summary:

Interestingly the real data is matching the Zoe App predictions quite well as North West has fallen a lot last week but now sticking more or less where it is whereas the southern areas are up and down day to day but have fallen quite a bit of late as - more recently - has the midlands. Yorkshire had the best day today.


SOUTH


East up 50 to 191

London down 14 to 194 - first sub 200 in months.

South East up 32 to 218

South West down 31 to 94



MIDLANDS

East down 58 to 221

West down 6 to 212



NORTH

North East down 44 to 74 - lowest ever regional total. Less than Manchester on its own a week or so ago.

Yorkshire down 206 to 383 - lowest here in many months.



And

North West down 7 to 319

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

They are reporting the data. No spin either way. They tend to keep hunches to themselves. In fact, at yesterdays press conference Prof Whitty stated that he was of the opinion, at the very start of the pandemic, that this would be, at least, a long term issue and that it may well never go away. This is not something he expressed publicly early in the pandemic.

RE Ferguson, he uses, and most likely, develops statistical models. Such models have to include certain assumptions/parameters. They are not necessarily going to be perfect but it will be indicative to the point it can be used to inform public policy making. He doesn't simply pluck figures out of the air. Are there any specific predictions he made that you think were nonsense? I think I remember him saying something like 250k may die without lockdown. Well, we locked down and c150k who have sadly passed away. Does that make it a poor prediction? I don't see anything to suggest it was wildly incorrect

The difference between Dr Campbell and Ferguson is that the latter mostly reports published research, adding commentary and further insight. He doesn't deliver the primary research himself or deliver any modelling, which is far more difficult.

As for him shagging around....hardly the basis on which to judge someone. In relation to his abilities, it's irrelevant.

His models are always way more pessimistic in their outlook half a million deaths were widely reported at the onset of this pandemic and he was a chief peddler of this report, rarely pointing out that this was if nothing was done, yet something was being done right from the outset. 250k to 150k i'd say was pretty wide of the mark even with a lockdown factor. Ferguson's previous modelling estimates on worst case scenarios for bird flu, swine flu and BSE have also been wide of the mark, actual deaths being much lower. Anyone predicting high death counts for an unknown virus and giving his full backing to social distancing control measures, isolation and 'household bubbles', should not be breaking these protocols . Even if the guy had covid antibodies from catching the virus he was still posing a threat to his lover and it relates directly to how seriously he himself was taking matters. At the very least he should be setting an example. A bit like a drunk getting behind the wheel of a car advising about the dangers of drink driving. If he was guilty of breaking the rules i'd just be criticising the accuracy of his work, but add in the rule breaking and shagging around i'd say his judgement is clouded to say the least, some like yourself may think that his judgement is sound. If he was an expert witness in a court of law he'd be discredited in seconds

 

[roubaixtuesday]

250k to 150k i'd say was pretty wide of the mark even with a lockdown factor.

You're fucking kidding!

We've spent most of a year under unprecedented restrictions to minimise deaths and you think 250k was an overestimate of what would have happened without them?

Seriously, you're so determined Ferguson must be wrong you've lost all reason.

 

[Healdplace]

Greater Manchester Summary

Down 2 on day to 180 - down from 346 last week and 386 week before

Slight increase in NW % to 56.4%


Bigger gap today between top and bottom but nobody had a bad day.

Manchester top scored 47 - up 16 but down 20 week to week.

Wigan second on 30 - up 14 on day but down 10 wk to wk.



Six other boroughs in the teens:

Bolton on 18 - down 6 on day and 25 wk to wk

Rochdale on 18 - up 4 on day but down 7 wk to wk

Oldham on 15 up 2 on day but down 18 wk to wk

Salford on 14 down 3 on day and 13 wk to wk

Tameside on 13 down 8 on day and 21 wk to wk

And Stockport also on 13 down 9 on day and 19 wk to wk


And the other two star performers were both in single figures.

Trafford on just 7 - down 6 on the day and 21 wk to wk

And outdoing them all Bury with a new low for many months of just 5 - down 8 on day and wk to wk.



A very good day for the county all round. Every Pop Score will have fallen today.