Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

REGIONAL SCOREBOARD THE NORTH


NORTH EAST 1980 - up from 1552

YORKSHIRE 3055 - up from 2639

AND

NORTH WEST 5793 - up from 5274


So everywhere in the North and Midlands rising whilst the South stabilising.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That is not good lovely , i send you the warmest of good wishes and hope it comes back negative

Cheers, im up and about just got a banging headache since yesterday evening, a slight cough and feel a bit crappy. I don't normally get headaches. I went on the wagon on Sunday after a 2 week drinking binge over xmas, so that's what im blaming it on, lack of alcohol. lol

 

[Deleted member 77198]

We have topped 30,000 in UK hospitals today by the way.

We never got near there in the first wave.

Another reason that even though we are saving more of these lives proportionally than in April deaths will still rise.

A lower percentage of more people can still become a higher number overall.

Lockdown should stop us quite getting there.

But worse is to come because we waited far too long and acted disjointedly.

As so many in here have been warning for weeks.

Lockdown... I got off the bus after work today and needed to pick up some bin liners and walked down the high street home.

Well, Costa was open (for takeaways) with a queue out the door, there were three women stood right next to each other in the street with no masks on, Holland & Barrett was eye-wideningly busy, a pitta butty shop was open for takeaways, the e-cig store was too, and there were people and cars everywhere.

What’s going on? This isn’t anything like the last lockdown. In the lockdown last year, nobody was knocking about at all. It was like a ghost town. This is not sinking in!

1,000+ deaths and 30,000+ in hospital. What’s it going to take to get people to STAY AT HOME?

 

[Cityfan]

Yes, correct. I think that's the same thing I meant from a different perspective.

"diluting the antigen quantity without losing efficacy" - i.e. so you can use less active agent per dose because the adjuvant makes it work better.

I'm certainly not an expert but I think it's slightly more complex. If you increase the amount of vaccine you don't necessarily increase the response. But binding an adjuvant to the vaccine can make the vaccine more 'visible' to the immune system so you get a much better response than any amount of antigen on its own.

 

[domalino]

That is rather key , if they didnt know what a virus was

yet they wore masks, by law in the US, practiced social distancing and were advised to keep houses ventilated. They knew it was airborne and passed from person to person. This current virus is following the course the Spanish flu did almost exactly.

They knew viruses existed, they just couldn't see them yet.

They could see something was causing disease like bacteria, had managed to grow them, filter them out of liquids, even see that bacteria could be infected by viruses etc. but lacked the microscopes to see them. They even called them viruses as early as the 1890s.

Electron microscopy arrived in the 30s and thats when we first saw them.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Me too. I will ask her to pester them but she is not the kind to do so.

I guess it will come down to local factors too. But if stories like this come out we will end up with vaccine envy driven by the media and there will be black market vaccines to jump the cue which will likely be #scams on desperate older people.

That is my only real concern. If we genuinely have lots of doses it really does not matter. But if the actual vulnerable are not being reached and anyone who asks gets them that will create issues.

And I do struggle not to think that kind of chaos is possible given the track record so far of how we have administered things in government.

But great news for your mum. Just suggest she does not make a thing out of it as it might get others who have not been contacted thinking if they pester the NHS they can get it too.

And I don't think that will help.

Spoke too soon it seems.

She received another message 20 mins ago stating it’s been cancelled.

 

[domalino]

We are 3 weeks away from the lockdown having noticeable effects on the death tolls and still 2 1/2 weeks away from seeing the Christmas deaths.

If we are at 1000 now it is hard to imagine the peak will be <2000 a day.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I'm certainly not an expert but I think it's slightly more complex. If you increase the amount of vaccine you don't necessarily increase the response. But binding an adjuvant to the vaccine can make the vaccine more 'visible' to the immune system so you get a much better response than any amount of antigen on its own.

It certainly increases the immunogenicity - I wasn't going into the technicalities, but the outcome is essentially the same.

 

[Summerbuzz]

We are 3 weeks away from the lockdown having noticeable effects on the death tolls and still 2 1/2 weeks away from seeing the Christmas deaths.

If we are at 1000 now it is hard to imagine the peak will be <2000 a day.

I'm not so happy about the clapping coming back, would seem more apt to have a minutes silence every week.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Cheers, im up and about just got a banging headache since yesterday evening, a slight cough and feel a bit crappy. I don't normally get headaches. I went on the wagon on Sunday after a 2 week drinking binge over xmas, so that's what im blaming it on, lack of alcohol. lol

You know the answer then....