Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Don’t you think it’s about time we stopped counting positive tests and focussed just on hospitalisations and deaths, like we do with every other respiratory virus that visits us on a regular basis?

9000 confirmed ‘cases’ in school children last week led to 250000 being absent from school, which is completely unjustifiable on any level.
We have 5 out of 9 classes all isolating this week because of 1 positive case in each class. Of course, there may well be more positives we don’t know if because they’ve not all been tested but we surely must be able to test ourselves out of this lunacy. LFT every day, if you’re negative, in you come.
 
My son, early 20s, was in a bar in town last night with 5 friends. A couple of single lads on the end of the table started chatting with girls on an adjacent table. I assume, as the drinks flowed, the contact got closer, and my son and friends were kicked out for mixing tables. I’ve no problem with that, as it meant my son was tucked up in bed by midnight, and the pub were following the rules. But is this the sort of thing that will end when restrictions are lifted? Or will it depend on social distancing rules? It will be nice when young men and women can do what young men and women are supposed to do, without feeling like they’re still in year 9 french!!!
 
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My son, early 20s, was in a bar in town last night with 5 friends. A couple of single lads on the end of the table started chatting with girls on an adjacent table. I assume, as the drinks flowed, the contact got closer, and my son and friends were kicked out for mixing tables. I’ve not problem with that, as it meant my son was tucked up in bed by midnight, and the pub were following the rules. But is this the sort of thing that will end when restrictions are lifted? Or will it depend on social distancing rules? It will be nice when young men and women can do what young men and women are supposed to do, without feeling like they’re still in year 9 french!!!
If they were at work in their office at Westminster they could have gone much further than chit chat.

this has to end with step 4 otherwise no point.

step 4 should be an end to test and trace etc…
 
I teach so I’ve a shedload of LFTs. Negative today. I’ll check on that and if the app is advisory I might well do the daily testing etc as you suggest

We have 5 out of 9 classes all isolating this week because of 1 positive case in each class. Of course, there may well be more positives we don’t know if because they’ve not all been tested but we surely must be able to test ourselves out of this lunacy. LFT every day, if you’re negative, in you come.
I hope you look after you're pupils better than you look after you're pal !!!!
 
My son, early 20s, was in a bar in town last night with 5 friends. A couple of single lads on the end of the table started chatting with girls on an adjacent table. I assume, as the drinks flowed, the contact got closer, and my son and friends were kicked out for mixing tables. I’ve not problem with that, as it meant my son was tucked up in bed by midnight, and the pub were following the rules. But is this the sort of thing that will end when restrictions are lifted? Or will it depend on social distancing rules? It will be nice when young men and women can do what young men and women are supposed to do, without feeling like they’re still in year 9 french!!!

They are doing, just not in the traditional locations.
 
Exactly - always has been. Covid is an endemic disease. We are not eradicating it any time soon if ever. Seems like flu you can get it repeatedly too.

So the BEST thing we can do is create ways to make it into a moderate at worst illness that leads to a few days at home off work not weeks in icu.

That is the reality I suspect many people still do not really understand. Vaccines are not magic, But they get sold as if they are to ensure most people take them as this is a horrible disease.

The vaccine data that matters as revealed from the current UK numbers is far and away the reason we are riding out what would be a tragic Summer wave like it was in India without them.

After one dose Pfizer has a 94% reduction NOT in you catching Covid but in preventing hospitalisation if you do. It only rises to 96% after both doses.

AZ is different - much lower (though still 71 %) after one dose - but not far behind up to 92% after both doses

These have resulted in an increasing fall off of hospital numbers as we jab more. We are not going to have thosands in hospital and on ventilators this time around it is starting to look safe to predict. And the mortality rate from Covid - which will never be zero at any age - has fallen a lot too. Even with a more virulent spreading version,

The reason is very simply that we got one thing right and bet on the vaccines in a bigger way than most countries did up front. And they paid off and are stopping a catastrophe unfolding right now.
Do you know if that figure on Pfizer you quoted is also applicable for the delta variant as well? Had to collect my youngest yesterday due to a positive case in the classroom and me and the wife are on 1 Pfizer dose from over two weeks ago but she’s a bit worried as we are also getting mainly the Delta variant here in the Algarve
 
I teach so I’ve a shedload of LFTs. Negative today. I’ll check on that and if the app is advisory I might well do the daily testing etc as you suggest
September last year was when they brought in the legislation making it an offence to not isolate with fines for doing so. It specifically excludes the app and this legislation has not been amended at all since.
 
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