Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Don’t you think it’s about time we stopped counting positive tests and focussed just on hospitalisations and deaths, like we do with every other respiratory virus that visits us on a regular basis?

9000 confirmed ‘cases’ in school children last week led to 250000 being absent from school, which is completely unjustifiable on any level.
The use of the word "case" is also wrong. Case implies people getting ill and needing treatment. What is happening is positive tests in young people. At least one third of them will have no symptoms at all and the vast majority of the rest will be very slightly affected. It is misleading use of language which has been a problem throughout this pandemic.
 
We have to record BOTH cases and hospitalisations.

Yes. cases matter less than the did as I have said often in here because the link is weakened between cases and deaths thanks to the vaccines.

But you cannot ignore cases because they are the only way to know if an area is rising or falling and if measures taken are working.

In reality the Pop Scores are the best guide which is why I focus on them more than ever these days. Because they tll you cases relative to population and chart what thos cases mean for the rise and fall of infections in each area.

In terms of decision making the key IS tp keep hospital numbers and the consequences icu, ventilators and deaths to a minimum so the NHS can function.

And again I focus on that every night with a full report of the hospital data across the regions and nations because that is npw so vital. But in their wisdom these numbers were stopped on the weeked some months back and so I can only do this Mondays to Fridays.

The rthird metric is the vaccinations which I also update daily for GM.

There may be different importance on each one at different times but the reality is we need all of these things.

Cases tell us - epecially via positivity rates added - if an area is rising or falling.

The Pop score charts each place relative to one another so we can see if they are goung up or down and how well measures are working.

The vaccinations versus the cases occurring there tell us how well we are doing in our best weapon to dampen Covid down.

And the hospital- ventilators - deaths show us the degree to whichour control over the outbreak is being strengthened by the measures and vaccinations.

These all interact. If you did not know how many cases were happening today and next week you could not know how good or bad the number of people in hospital and dying several weeks later because of those cases lopks and the extent to which the vaccination programme is working to mitigate the outbreak.
 
Do you know if that figure on Pfizer you quoted is also applicable for the delta variant as well? Had to collect my youngest yesterday due to a positive case in the classroom and me and the wife are on 1 Pfizer dose from over two weeks ago but she’s a bit worried as we are also getting mainly the Delta variant here in the Algarve
I think it was a study on the efficacy against the delta variant cartied out from recent data - so I assume so given nearly all UK cases are now Delta anyway.

Though they keep doing thrse studies to make sure changes do not happen if the virus mutates. That takes time after a mutation to unravel of course.
 
We have to record BOTH cases and hospitalisations.

Yes. cases matter less than the did as I have said often in here because the link is weakened between cases and deaths thanks to the vaccines.

But you cannot ignore cases because they are the only way to know if an area is rising or falling and if measures taken are working.

In reality the Pop Scores are the best guide which is why I focus on them more than ever these days. Because they tll you cases relative to population and chart what thos cases mean for the rise and fall of infections in each area.

In terms of decision making the key IS tp keep hospital numbers and the consequences icu, ventilators and deaths to a minimum so the NHS can function.

And again I focus on that every night with a full report of the hospital data across the regions and nations because that is npw so vital. But in their wisdom these numbers were stopped on the weeked some months back and so I can only do this Mondays to Fridays.

The rthird metric is the vaccinations which I also update daily for GM.

There may be different importance on each one at different times but the reality is we need all of these things.

Cases tell us - epecially via positivity rates added - if an area is rising or falling.

The Pop score charts each place relative to one another so we can see if they are goung up or down and how well measures are working.

The vaccinations versus the cases occurring there tell us how well we are doing in our best weapon to dampen Covid down.

And the hospital- ventilators - deaths show us the degree to whichour control over the outbreak is being strengthened by the measures and vaccinations.

These all interact. If you did not know how many cases were happening today and next week you could not know how good or bad the number of people in hospital and dying several weeks later because of those cases lopks and the extent to which the vaccination programme is working to mitigate the outbreak.
We can and must ignore cases.

unless we do not wish to return to normal. Then let’s concern ourselves with cases.
 
We have to record BOTH cases and hospitalisations.

Yes. cases matter less than the did as I have said often in here because the link is weakened between cases and deaths thanks to the vaccines.

But you cannot ignore cases because they are the only way to know if an area is rising or falling and if measures taken are working.

In reality the Pop Scores are the best guide which is why I focus on them more than ever these days. Because they tll you cases relative to population and chart what thos cases mean for the rise and fall of infections in each area.

In terms of decision making the key IS tp keep hospital numbers and the consequences icu, ventilators and deaths to a minimum so the NHS can function.

And again I focus on that every night with a full report of the hospital data across the regions and nations because that is npw so vital. But in their wisdom these numbers were stopped on the weeked some months back and so I can only do this Mondays to Fridays.

The rthird metric is the vaccinations which I also update daily for GM.

There may be different importance on each one at different times but the reality is we need all of these things.

Cases tell us - epecially via positivity rates added - if an area is rising or falling.

The Pop score charts each place relative to one another so we can see if they are goung up or down and how well measures are working.

The vaccinations versus the cases occurring there tell us how well we are doing in our best weapon to dampen Covid down.

And the hospital- ventilators - deaths show us the degree to whichour control over the outbreak is being strengthened by the measures and vaccinations.

These all interact. If you did not know how many cases were happening today and next week you could not know how good or bad the number of people in hospital and dying several weeks later because of those cases lopks and the extent to which the vaccination programme is working to mitigate the outbreak.
Over 3 million tests per million population though?
93 deaths with Covid in a week, between 10-12000 without. The ongoing public health crisis really isn’t Covid now.
 
The use of the word "case" is also wrong. Case implies people getting ill and needing treatment. What is happening is positive tests in young people. At least one third of them will have no symptoms at all and the vast majority of the rest will be very slightly affected. It is misleading use of language which has been a problem throughout this pandemic.

Discussed here (although some of his views may make some people's heads explode ha). Will be interesting to see if his prediction ends up being correct when it all comes out in the wash

 
We can and must ignore cases.

unless we do not wish to return to normal. Then let’s concern ourselves with cases.

What's crucial is the development of variants, and that depends in part on the number of cases.
 
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