Coronavirus (2021) thread

[GaudinoMotors]

2nd jab done. Bring on the 19th. Mask is ready for the bin.

That's the spirit.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Nevertheless, NZ will have to open it's borders to more than rich people at some point or are they saying to those there who have family overseas (and there are quite a few) 'you can never see them again, ever'. Now, they can delay that for a time to try and get their population fully vaccinated but eventually, particularly if they see the rest of the world 'living with it' (and it will never be completely eradicated, remember, that's only happened in the case of one disease in the history of mankind - smallpox) then the pressure will come to open the borders. At that point it is inevitable that therew ill be cases and there will be deaths, however low level and 'acceptable'. She is not serving her people well if she does not have that conversation with them.

I agree Gremlin although didn’t she have an overwhelming win in their general election that was a great endorsement. They have got a continent open between themselves and the Aussies and many Kiwis are enjoying going to sold out sports events and concerts. It looks a good quality of life.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't think anyone is saying we should or could have handled it like NZ. We're too interconnected for that. But for them, keeping their borders closed until they have deployed vaccines there makes a lot of sense as they have a full population with no antibodies and opening up their borders now would throw away all what they have achieved. Apart from the borders being closed they're living pretty much normal lives there as far as I can tell. In their situation the only thing they can learn from us is to get the vaccines in arms as quickly as possible, but that might be difficult due to supply issues and pushback from the population due to them not having had to live with the constraints most of the rest of the world have been living under.

 

[blueparrot]

2nd jab done. Bring on the 19th. Mask is ready for the bin.

So you only carry a mask for your own benefit not anyone elses ?

 

[Cotton Weave Blue]

So you only carry a mask for your own benefit not anyone elses ?

I've wore a mask long enough for the old and vulnerable to be vaccinated. The sole reason they were mandated. So everyone's benefit but mine.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

I've wore a mask long enough for the old and vulnerable to be vaccinated. The sole reason they were mandated. So everyone's benefit but mine.

can't argue with that. You've done your bit

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

0 deaths - was 0 last week

663 cases - was 513 last week

4.8% positivity - was 4.2% last week

60 patients - was 41 last week

8 ventilated- was 2 last week

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Think you’re missing the point Tim. Different strategies for different countries based on the way the pandemic has hit those countries? Yes, of course. But what I took from that article was that she was telling our PM that he shouldn’t be telling the people of the UK that we have to learn to live with Covid. Easy for her to say that when the NZ public haven’t been subjected to Covid and the protracted lockdowns and restrictions that we have - I will add that those were necessary of course - but now with our vaccine rollout we’re in nowhere near as bad a position as we were and living with Covid is exactly what we have to do in future. She’d be singing an entirely different tune if Delta gets a significant foothold in NZ and rips through their population to the extent that they have to lock down for months, but then come out the other side in a much better place as a result of a successful vaccination programme

I read it like Jacinda Ardern was saying what was best for the Kiwis and clearly she wouldn’t follow our approach. Maybe she could have been more careful with here words but we do have a bad rep on Covid.

I’m up for getting back to close to how life was like before the pandemic. That said, I would like to keep the benefits of neighbours helping each other that’s improved life where I live. I’m looking forward to big crowds at the football and rugby, like they’ve got in New Zealand. In addition.

There’s a notion on this forum (not in your posts) that New Zealand is a tin pot country. I’ve spent several weeks there and it’s a great place with a lot going for it. We have to gamble a bit from 19 July because how badly Covid has hit our economy. That’s just reality.

We are doing great on the vaccination programme and people have responded to the emergency. Clearly, there isn’t the same pressure to roll out a vaccination programme at pace in a country that hasn’t had a Covid case from community transmission in nearly 6 months.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I've wore a mask long enough for the old and vulnerable to be vaccinated. The sole reason they were mandated. So everyone's benefit but mine.

What about the old and vulnerable who a) are vaccinated but due to their immune system and/or other illnesses aren't sufficiently protected and b) those not able to have the vaccine?

 

[Cotton Weave Blue]

What about the old and vulnerable who a) are vaccinated but due to their immune system and/or other illnesses aren't sufficiently protected and b) those not able to have the vaccine?

I'd anticipate we wouldn't be socialising in the same circles anyway given their condition.