Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Gabriel]

gone up 500% hasn't it?

510% apparently.

 

[bluesteel]

Neither would your missus if the baby's due in September, unless she's not human and is a species that has an 8 week pregnancy cycle.

Still don’t understand you, my missus hasn’t have the vaccine, she couldn’t have had the vaccine even if she wanted it (which we didn’t) in Jan.

I’m saying there is no way to know it’s safe yet for fetuses who’s mother or father have been vaccinated, I do think it is highly likely to be safe by the way, but why would anyone take the risk yet if they’ve already had covid and were ok. I get it if your high risk as you might not see the birth through.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

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I’m saying there is no way to know it’s safe yet for fetuses who’s mother or father have been vaccinated

Despite having been shown the evidence for mothers.

As to fathers - you're implying that vaccination damages sperm? I think you're way down the rabbit hole here.

 

[west didsblue]

Still don’t understand you, my missus hasn’t have the vaccine, she couldn’t have had the vaccine even if she wanted it (which we didn’t) in Jan.

I’m saying there is no way to know it’s safe yet for fetuses who’s mother or father have been vaccinated, I do think it is highly likely to be safe by the way, but why would anyone take the risk yet if they’ve already had covid and were ok. I get it if your high risk as you might not see the birth through.

Most of the trials were done on women who were vaccinated whilst already already pregnant. As has been spelt out on a few occasions, just because she's had Covid that doesn't make her immune from catching another variant and the chances of Covid causing pregnancy complications is much higher than problems arising due to having the vaccine. So you are both really taking a chance, and you are putting your unborn child at greater risk as well.

 

[bluesteel]

Not exactly a protocal override there tho is it. the phases were still done. at most the people in the next phases of trials may have been at a bit more risk, the end product has had the same level as trials as any other.

if its mRNA your worried about, AZ and JnJ are not mRNA and are both fully approved by the UK medical board. As has Pfizer and Moderna mind you which are mRNA ones.

Why is FDA approval more important than the UK medical boards?

The end product isn’t the same, sorry, you can’t say x happened to y % of people who took the vaccine over a z period in trial! It’s why it’s still only emergency approved over half a year later!!

In regards to the FDA, mainly because of the suing culture in the US and therefore the tendency to get it right (I personally reckon they’ll drag it out a bit for the reasons stated above) and they’ll almost definitely have a bigger budget (bit as we know in footy that doesn’t alway matter though :) ).

 

[Bluemoonadam]

Good luck mate.

Thank-you pal

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data:

FIRST DATA SINCE FRIDAY OTHER THAN CASE NUMBERS & DEATHS

1 death - was 0 last week

636 cases - was 570 last week

3977 weekly rolling cases total - was 3432 last report Friday - 3054 last week

16 care home outbreaks - was 8 last week - BIG concern over these doubling

72 patients - up from 60 last report Friday & 43 last week

1 ventilated - up from 0 Friday and 1 last week

 

[bluesteel]

You should be quoting pandemrix rather than Thalidomide. Swine flu vaccine that has caused narcolepsy, not sure what the trials were but more relevant than Thalidomide.

There will be loads I don’t know about, the only reason mentioned that was because of the potential impact on kids which is impossible to have been tested properly, just as one example.

 

[grunge]

The end product isn’t the same, sorry, you can’t say x happened to y % of people who took the vaccine over a z period in trial! It’s why it’s still only emergency approved over half a year later!!

In regards to the FDA, mainly because of the suing culture in the US and therefore the tendency to get it right (I personally reckon they’ll drag it out a bit for the reasons stated above) and they’ll almost definitely have a bigger budget (bit as we know in footy that doesn’t alway matter though :) ).

Read up on Trial phases. they are not a tick sheet where 1 needs to be done before the other, they are different demographic groups for different data sets ( recommended doses vs more/less dose etc with different levels of age/illnesses in the demographics ). and they are not for lengthening test durations. at most the length of time of trials and delays between trial phases is a side effect of lack of funding.

The only trial that really needs to come 1st is trial 0 which is animal testing, and maybe some of phase 1 which is a key safety check before moving to larger group stage 2/3 trials

Doing the end of phase 1 and phase 2/3 at the same time is perfectly valid. its only seen as unusual as there is never funding in place to do it.

Understanding Clinical Trial Terminology: What’s a Phase 1, 2 or 3 Clinical Trial? - Concert Pharmaceuticals

While preclinical research that is done in a lab can provide foundation information about how a drug may work and its safety, it is not a substitute for studies that show how the drug will interact with the human body. The term “clinical trials” or “clinical research” refers to studies that are...

www.concertpharma.com

 

[Healdplace]

NORTHERN IRELAND 7 DAYS CASES BY AGE

0 - 19 (1119) 28.2%

20 - 39 (1800) 45.3%

40 - 59 (791) 19.9%

60 - 79 (233) 5.8%

80 PLUS (32) 0.8%

THIS PATTERN IS PRETTY STEADY NOW AND THE AGE RANGE MOST CATCHING IT IS VERY CLEAR.

THE RISE IN 60 - 79 IS THE ONLY CONCERN BUT IT IS SLOW NOT RAPID IN NY ESCALATION.