Coronavirus (2021) thread

[carlosthejackal]

Freedumb Day!

I'm double jabbed and healthy.

I shall still be wearing my mask in busy indoors settings as I'm not a twat who doesn't give a shit about anyone other than myself.

Summed up perfectly. Just been in my local supermarket and thankfully the majority of people were wearing masks , sadly the gullible few weren’t and have obviously been taken in by Johnson’s bull shit .

 

[inbetween]

So, the Delta variant was unforeseen, which kind of makes me ask what will happen in the next few months that is currently unforeseen and will the rule changes increase the chances of another variant by increasing the chances of people catching it and producing another ‘unforeseen’ variant?

In terms of modelling of course it was unforeseen, how can someone model the effect of the Zeta variant that will appear this October? Do we just stay locked down though just in case?

When does it end because the vaccines will never impact everyone 100% and you always that % who refuse to get vaccinated. As it stands the vast majority in hospital are unvaccinated and I cannot understand why some scientists know this fact yet are still touting for a potential lockdown in late September.

The models that existed in February were for the reopening scenario and they were wildly wrong so why should we take them now as right? Where is the inverse impact modelling for the had we not reopened scenario and stayed shut until the summer? How many people would instead not get treated and die of cancer or suicide etc? More people die every single day from reasons that aren't COVID and many directly because they currently can't get face to face doctors appointments.

The only single thing that worries me moving forwards is the impact on hospitalisations, that's a serious problem but only purely for logistical reasons, the vaccines have more than proven that deaths are not going to see huge tick up rates. The problem in hospitals however is being further compounded by the fact that we have a test and trace system that is sending hospital staff home who potentially don't have COVID.

 

[Craig]

5 x more transmissible with 65 x less people. I know what I’d go for.

Exactly. As if it a Wembley people weren’t all over each other when Shaw scores or on the way in and on the concourses.

 

[splinter]

And the odds are now roughly the same as other respiratory illnesses. Everyone is talking like viruses have never existed before ffs.

Covid hasn't totally different ball game ffs!

 

[inbetween]

And that's the point. We don't know.

And we aren't ‘locked up forever’, I am not locked up. I have a restriction that indoors where people congregate I wear a mask. That is not ‘locked up’. Banged up in Strangeways is ‘locked up’.

Bob you were a big advocate against Brexit, especially the economic reasons for Brexit so I'll ask in terms of equivalence against the economy.

Take a look at our travel industry or leisure industry prior to today, do you think that it's good for us to remain restricted as in these places must remain shut?

You may only have to wear a mask but millions are losing their livelihoods from these restrictions.

 

[mexico1970]

Today wont feel different than any other day, companies are enforcing their own internal policies as if it is law. Facemasks will be worn everywhere unless you've got the balls to just walk about without one.

Where is this freedom day when everyone is getting pinged back into their houses?

 

[BobKowalski]

In terms of modelling of course it was unforeseen, how can someone model the effect of the Zeta variant that will appear this October? Do we just stay locked down though just in case?

When does it end because the vaccines will never impact everyone 100% and you always that % who refuse to get vaccinated. As it stands the vast majority in hospital are unvaccinated and I cannot understand why some scientists know this fact yet are still touting for a potential lockdown in late September.

The models that existed in February were for the reopening scenario and they were wildly wrong so why should we take them now as right? Where is the inverse impact modelling for the had we not reopened scenario and stayed shut until the summer? How many people would instead not get treated and die of cancer or suicide etc? More people die every single day from reasons that aren't COVID and many directly because they currently can't get face to face doctors appointments.

The only single thing that worries me moving forwards is the impact on hospitalisations, that's a serious problem but only purely for logistical reasons, the vaccines have more than proven that deaths are not going to see huge tick up rates. The problem in hospitals however is being further compounded by the fact that we have a test and trace system that is sending hospital staff home who potentially don't have COVID.

It doesn't end. The virus is immune to our wishes and feelings. It is largely immune to our attempts to model it and guesswork. What works so far, is vaccines and a degree of restriction during social interaction, ie masks, distancing and well ventilated buildings. I say ‘so far’ because there isn’t enough long term data on the vaccines, but to date it looks very promising.

My point on the ‘unforeseen’ is that while the virus continues to be an unknown risk to public health it would seem prudent to keep some measures in place rather than this guff about ‘freedom day’. The capacity to overwhelm the health service is still there, the capacity to absorb too much public health resource and starve other treatments is still there. We have too manage this risk in the absence of hard data which means a degree of prudence and public education which talk of ‘freedom day’ undermines.

 

[Marvin]

So, the Delta variant was unforeseen, which kind of makes me ask what will happen in the next few months that is currently unforeseen and will the rule changes increase the chances of another variant by increasing the chances of people catching it and producing another ‘unforeseen’ variant?

Our perception of Covid changed as soon as the alpha variant arose as then it became obvious new variants would follow although it is not obvious how they arise. Is it through slow gradual drift, or through jumps in immune-compromised patients? One variant arose in one patient, another has been linked to a particular group.

The vaccination campaign in the UK is reaching a natural conclusion unless you vaccinate children and we decided not to do that en masse so you then have a choice of conservative or aggressive strategies. The models suggest a conservative approach leads to less overall infections, but if you go so slowly what happens if you lift restrictions when our immunity has declined somewhat? An exit wave might then be even more problematic. That was Chris Whitty's argument in the last press conference.

 

[grunge]

Bob you were a big advocate against Brexit, especially the economic reasons for Brexit so I'll ask in terms of equivalence against the economy.

Take a look at our travel industry or leisure industry prior to today, do you think that it's good for us to remain restricted as in these places must remain shut?

You may only have to wear a mask but millions are losing their livelihoods from these restrictions.

millions are not loosing there jobs. There are job losses no doubt, but no where near millions. Travel industry is out of our hands anyways.

I know a few places now struggling to find staff at all.

And anything you need doing hardware wise ( plumbing/building/electrics etc) you just can’t get someone to do due to brexit pushing all the trained Eastern European’s away.

1 business owner I know moved unit to a larger place during lockdown. They have been trying to get air con fitted for 6 months ( it’s sigificantly hitting there business now as needs to be temp controlled a bit ) but most AC places are so swamped now due to staff going home.

 

[bluemoon32]

Does your employer think you are an ugly bunch ? ;)

They can fcuking talk, they are Australian