Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Summerbuzz said:
This is super important. We started off aiming at the most vulnerable and worked down the list. Now we need to forget that, and vaccinate the so called 'super-mixers'. It's the most efficient way of minimising the risk to the general public from the disease that is out there, and minimising the chances of further strains developing.

There's a lot of talk about making vaccines obligatory for clubs, football, and so on. The most effective move would be to start with pubs, but that's politically out of the question for Boris, we have to maintain the fairytale view of pubs and pub goers as a great British bastion of freedom...

The govt seem to just want to bypass the task of strategising a clear informational campaign, or provide any form of positive incentive, in case it goes wrong. They'll still get where we need to be, but relying on negative reinforcement and restriction will leave a nasty taste in the mouth for some.
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The carrot hasn't been used anywhere near enough yet. Many would get vaccinated for a few free drinks.
 
Cityfan said:
My quote was a direct quote from the CDC which is a highly respected scientific public health body, not the government.
Their job is to provide accurate information to the public not support government spin which is why they were sidelined by Trump.
The jab is both to protect you from hospitalisation and to protect you from infection.
There is plenty of evidence out there to suggest it does both.
It is more reliable at the former than the latter particularly with the delta variant but it still does both.
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Er, cdc.gov? It is very much a US government body.

Your points are correct, though, but so are Essex Blue's, so I'm not sure what's happening here.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
Er, cdc.gov? It is very much a US government body.

Your points are correct, though, but so are Essex Blue's, so I'm not sure what's happening here.
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It is a government body, not part of the political establishment, their job is to provide information without spin.
Like our public health bodies the politicians may try and spin the information but the information that is directly provided by them is scientifically based and not spun.
 
chesterbells said:
Thanks for sharing that. Have to be honest, I did wonder if it was just me, as no one I’ve met “in real life” has had similar. It does sound the same as mine, esp the night time being more noticeable.

Anyway, posting it on here last night has prompted me to contact the GP this morning, so we’ll see what pearls of wisdom they can offer when I get the call-back this afternoon.
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Keep me posted please. I’m dreading getting the second one!!!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Your slagging off of SAGE is weird and obsessive. Do you have any idea how hard they will have been working over the last 18 months? Do you have any idea what they do?

A forecast is a model using a set of real world data to predict how things could end up (not will, but could, often as a maximum scenario). It’s like moaning that you’ve invited 5 people to a party and your missus has invited 4, last time you had the party all 9 people turned up, so you forecast that 9 people will turn up this time, but on the day 6 turn up… the forecast can only give you the forecast of 9 because that’s what the data gives you. The data cannot foresee that 2 of the people get the shits on the day of the party so can’t turn up and another is away on business so also can’t go. If people could actually start foreseeing the future you’re entering the realms of magic, and magic doesn’t exist.

SAGE work on the real world numbers that they have at any given time, in conjunction with the trajectory of the recent waves. Their models will give forecasts using that data. The data cannot foresee the future, they just forecast a prediction of it.

SAGE have got many many things right since Covid started. Calling them imbeciles makes you look like one because you clearly haven’t got a clue.
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Its not SAGE here, its the modelling group mainly staffed by academics from Imperial, LSHTM (London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) and Warwick Universities.
The reality is their models are crap and they feed data points into then that are wrong - for example underestimating the efficacy of an AZ double jab vaccine by 7,5% to 12.5%.
I get that it isn’t easy but to constantly over cook the goose as they do can only lead to the public distrust of their results - which is bad news for science.
 
Cityfan said:
It is a government body, not part of the political establishment, their job is to provide information without spin.
Like our public health bodies the politicians may try and spin the information but the information that is directly provided by them is scientifically based and not spun.
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Officially yes, practically, no, would be my view. Remember the President effectively controls the CDC as they can appoint who heads it up with no need for senate approval.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Its not SAGE here, its the modelling group mainly staffed by academics from Imperial, LSHTM (London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) and Warwick Universities.
The reality is their models are crap and they feed data points into then that are wrong - for example underestimating the efficacy of an AZ double jab vaccine by 7,5% to 12.5%.
I get that it isn’t easy but to constantly over cook the goose as they do can only lead to the public distrust of their results - which is bad news for science.
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They feed in the data and specs the Gov sets them tho. they have a very strict remit about it all.
 
Elbow beards said:
Reports coming out from CDC in America that vaccinated people with the delta variant have same viral load as non vaccinated and are asking people to mask up. That said, some scientists are sceptical as too what that actually means as no data has been provided yet. Ffs.

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Does that mean that vaccinated person doesn't get seriously ill themselves, but spreads the virus just the same as a non-vacced person? Surely that's sensible till we reach those percentages of fully vacced people and of course the herd immunity for the small percentage that will never have it
 
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