Coronavirus (2021) thread

[west didsblue]

It's not just deaths though is it?
6% of teenage cases will still get Long Covid and 1.5% of teenage case will still be suffering symptoms a year later

Agree that's an important consideration.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Which is why Australia and New Zealand are in a right pickle.

New Zealand's Jacinda Ardern has said that strict border controls will remain in place this year, but that she hoped to cautiously reopen the country to the rest of the world in 2022 while maintaining the country's virus-free status.

We now know categorically that vaccination or previous infection does not stop transmission of Coronavirus. So maintaining their virus-free status is simply not going to happen. Even with a fully vaccinated population in Aus/NZ, infections will spread like wildfire as soon as they open up. This will lead to hospitalisations and people inevitably dying in large numbers and if they panic at 1 or 2 cases then they are going to have to shift their mentality way away from zero covid.

 

[SWP's back]

It's a pointless stat though from a twitter feed with a clear agenda. When the case rate peaks at around 30, the fact that it makes it look like the highest case rate per capita in the world is misleading. You could do the same for any small town where there's been a minor flare up. The key thing in Gibraltar is that there are just 8 serious cases and 1 death and we don't even know if it's from vaccinated residents.

Edit: The death was an unvaccinated resident.
https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-releases/government-confirms-death-from-covid-19-5802021-7155
Interestingly the final sentence of the press release disproves the tweet's point about everyone being vaccinated.
"I strongly urge everyone who has not been vaccinated to contact the GHA to arrange a vaccination now."

You don’t think the poster you’re replying to has a clear agenda do you?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Israel is already discussing giving a third shot now to people over 40. It recognises that immunity is waning and that it needs to act now to protect people over the winter. It’s also tightening restrictions and the use of passes.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cabin...s-on-shops-and-venues-as-cases-spike-further/

Also being reported that Moderna vaccine is holding up better than Pfizer, though still down, against the Delta variant.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-st...er-than-pfizer-at-preventing-delta-infection/

Mainly due to the mRNA vaccines immunity level dipping. The UK won't be as badly infected as the 8 weeks+ gap between jabs gives us 3.5 times more antibodies than thex3 week schedule.
It's looking like Antibodies decline at the same rate in the UK so the decline in immunity here should take a lot longer.
Also we need immunity against the Beta variant that escapes vaccine immunity much better than Alpha and Delta. Lambda needs to be considered here as well.

 

[SWP's back]

not seen anyone tell them they don’t give a fuck so some people must be interested in case numbers

I’ve repeated it quite a few times. I think after 18 months, too many are focused on case numbers. Singapore isn’t even going to count or release their daily case numbers after September and I agree with that way of thinking. Vaccinate and monitor hospitalisation/deaths and keep working on new vaccines for variants and anti-virals and try and get back to some form of normality.

 

[west didsblue]

You don’t think the poster you’re replying to has a clear agenda do you?

Surely not!

 

[BlueAnorak]

read an article saying AZ vaccine is down to only 14% effective after 6 months so yes many will need a booster pretty soon before we get to the winter esp with restrictions being lifted

Not quite true.
Longer lastng T-Cell (memory) immunity from the AZ vaccine seems to be better than the mRNA vaccines.
There is a paper from Birmingham University that AZ quote goes through this in detail

 

[BlueAnorak]

just tried to find article but not managed yet, I came across the T cell article though and it’s just saying they don’t know how long it’ll last yet but they’re hopeful it’ll last longer like you’re saying, same article is saying Pfizer effectiveness reduces about 6% every 2 months

Which is bad news but not so bad for the UK as we have 3.5 times the antibodies from our 8 week+ vaccination cycle than others on the 3 week cycle.

 

[bluemc1]

You don’t think the poster you’re replying to has a clear agenda do you?

which is ?

 

[SWP's back]

which is ?

It appears that you’re not really a fan of the vaccines or rate their efficacy.