Coronavirus (2021) thread

[BLUEMATT23]

How?

It's my opinion that they are under instruction to put coivd on as cause of death even though when it is not the case.
I have heard that from a number of people.

 

[grunge]

It's my opinion that they are under instruction to put coivd on as cause of death even though when it is not the case.
I have heard that from a number of people.

And who are these people?

 

[Healdplace]

NORTHERN IRELAND DATA

12 deaths - was 7 last week - the sky high care home outbreaks coming home to roost sadly.

1648 cases - was 1564 last week - interesting that NI is getting away with only modest rises like England so far.

10% positivity - was 9.9% last week - similar track only just up....but NI was the last to get Delta so that is likely just making it lag and big rises will come sadly.


11,886 weekly cases total - was 11, 944 yesterday & 10, 099 last week - also pretty flat

134 Care Home Outbreaks - up 2 on yesterday - was 128 last week. This seems to have slowed happily.

373 patients - up 21 on yesterday - was 392 last week

26 ventilated - down 2 on yesterday - was 33 last week

 

[foetus]

Im not ruling out that it had come from a lab, until its ruled out its always still an option. As I mentioned above though there are positive samples from Spain that pre date Sept 19.

Those dates also coincide with the US Pandemic alert team leaving the Wuhan lab after Trump killed the funding.

I’d heard people in Wuhan had covid like symptoms around Sept 2019 but hadn’t heard about Barcelona pre Sept…will look into it.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It's my opinion that they are under instruction to put coivd on as cause of death even though when it is not the case.
I have heard that from a number of people.

Aside from the conspiratorial nature of the claim (who issued this "instruction", when and why?), that just doesn't add up:

Deaths within 28 days of a test are consistent with certificates
Excess deaths are consistent with certificates
Fatality rate estimates from the UK aren't out of line with other comparative countries.

 

[grunge]

I’d heard people in Wuhan had covid like symptoms around Sept 2019 but hadn’t heard about Barcelona pre Sept…will look into it.

As a starting point

Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows

Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

I know Dr Cambell did a video on it too.

Personally I think this is just a contaminated sample but the scientists involved seem pretty certain its not.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

How?

It's obvious - isn't it?

There's a massive global conspiracy pushing false data about COVID because the false data benefits... we'll actually I'm at a loss here as to whom the fake data benefits. I'm pretty sure QAnon has an authoritative explanation for this though. Probably ties in with space lasers, lizard people and pedophile pizza eaters somehow.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

What kind of an answer is that? Social distancing has repeatedly been shown to reduce transmission. Of course it is not a long term answer but we don't have any alternative. Hospital numbers are up 500 in a week in advance of schools and colleges opening.

What we need are new vaccines or a 3rd dose. The WHO may well have a point that from a global perspective they should go to other nations but I can't see that happening.

All you are doing is what we see happening in Australasia now. As soon as you open up you are back to square one. There should be a full cost benefit analysis done in respect of lockdown and the evidence should be in by now. What you continually see, almost everwhere you look, is that the shape of the 'wave' is almost identical, whatever measures have been implimented or not. Vaccines preventing severe illness and death are the only way out of this not lockdown or other NPI's that merely move the wave further along but also increase other Public Health issues.

Where we could be different is if we were consistently just told the facts and, surprisingly enough, people are then more than capable of making their own risk assesments and changing their behaviour accordingly, a bit like the 'Swedish Death Cult' approach...

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Why?

We infected a significant slice of the population before vaccines and 150,000 died as a result.

Worst case for Aus/NZ is that the same slice of the population is infected, but after vaccination, so far less will die.

How is this a deep hole?

A fair question. I was speaking from the point of view of getting themselves out of this one covid case = lockdown mindset and cycle. We know from our own experience that even with a highly vaccinated population, there will be huge case rates and probably lots of deaths as the vaccines aren't perfect and don't make you immortal. So will they maintain their pretence that zero covid is sustainable or move away from it and accept the deaths and cases when they inevitable come. They could be in for a rough ride although yes, you'd expect it to be on a much smaller scale to our rough ride.

However, does this mean a big bang release which could of course mean a huge wave or will it be something slower and more metered, which means border closures and lockdowns for a significant time to come. I think they have pretty difficult periods of existence to come yet.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Aside from the conspiratorial nature of the claim (who issued this "instruction", when and why?), that just doesn't add up:

Deaths within 28 days of a test are consistent with certificates
Excess deaths are consistent with certificates
Fatality rate estimates from the UK aren't out of line with other comparative countries.

Excess deaths are the key to this now not deaths within 28 days.
Stop testing asymptomatic people, increase sick pay to support those with a positive diagnosis, provide boosters where antibodies are proven to be waning.

On a slightly different topic, i think your wish for 12+ to be vaccinated might well come to fruition in early September..