Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS

153 with 16 from the North West.

Last week 154 with 29 NW & week before 152 with 25 NW.

THAT is about as flat as you can get.

But these deaths will come from 3/4 weeks ago when we were flattened off in cases and hospitalisations.

And NW deaths well down as you can see.

TUESDAYS ARE OFTEN THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF THE WEEK WITH THE WEEKEND CATCH UP ADD ON REMEMBER

 

[BobKowalski]

It's my opinion that they are under instruction to put coivd on as cause of death even though when it is not the case.
I have heard that from a number of people.

Why? What would be the point?

 

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS - Details

By region:

East 11, London 33, Midlands 34, NE & Yorkshire 36, North West 16, South East 14, South West 9

Most deaths in Birmingham and North East


16 NW deaths by trust:

Pennine Acute (Oldham/Rochdale) 4. Liverpool 3, Stockport 2, Tameside 2

And 1 each in - Bolton, Morecambe, Salford, Warrington, Wigan



By Age:- 20 - 39 (1), 40 - 59 (17), 60 - 79 (57) & 80 PLUS (78)

 

[True_Blue69]

Genuine question - what level of death and hospitalisation, say in comparison to the January peak do you think would justify this?

Half as much, the same, twice, more?

Not an attempted gotcha, just trying to understand.

If it gets to over half as much then the vaccines haven’t done their job and we are all fucked. What was the peak in Jan for deaths, 1,200? If it got anywhere near half that number of vaccinated people dying a day because of covid and not with it, then I would be worried.

What about you, when would you look at closing schools etc again?

 

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS


The last full 7 days of 5 day totals are 8 Aug to 14 Aug

These read 57 - 40 - 48 - 57 - 66 - 53 - 69.

Total for the week 390 - up from 364 the week before and 336 the week before.

As you see deaths ARE rising but not at all fast in the way they did in past waves.


The first 5 five day totals of the next run of 7 days are 60 - 56 - 66 - 57 - 65

The next two days coming up behind are at 52 and 53 - so the weekly total is going to be around 425 - a similar modest rise.

In past waves these numbers would have been escalating a lot more than this.

August 14 on 69 after 5 days and currently on 78 is the current deadliest day in England hospitals.

Nowhere in the days after it are yet threatening that total.

 

[Elbow beards]

Gain of function research. Yep definitely scary stuff. It’s the potential (not definite) cause of all of this. If so, a serious discussion on the pros/cons of this type of research has to had.

Bloody too right. I thought the labs would be like fort knox and spotlessly clean, but apparently the hygiene levels in some are similar to your dentists, and these fuckers are messing about with shit like ebola!!!

 

[Healdplace]

If it gets to over half as much then the vaccines haven’t done their job and we are all fucked. What was the peak in Jan for deaths, 1,200? If it got anywhere near half that number of vaccinated people dying a day because of covid and not with it, then I would be worried.

What about you, when would you look at closing schools etc again?

It was more than 1200 on the highest days in the UK. That is about the England number though.

I am pretty confident we are not getting near 600 a day on current trends.

And as I posted last night there are still under 7000 in UK hospitals and under 1000 on ventilators.

We were over 39,000 and 4000 in January.

North West last night fell below 100 on ventilators for first time in weeks.

This wave is VERY different from the last one.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Why? What would be the point?

To make things seemingly appear worse than what they actually are my friend.

 

[Elbow beards]

In all honesty I think if this was some sort of "weaponised" virus then its failed, in the grand scheme of things its not a large killer. Its not as bad as Spanish flu was for example. its enough to cause disruption no doubt but this isn't bubonic plague 2.0 or something similar. If it was something made with intent then surely MERS would have been a better choice?

Also once in the "wild" there would be no way to know what the mutated strains would do.

I don't think it would have been developed for weaponry or they it was released on purpose l, but after watching that programme I'm not too sure now if if didn't escape from a lab. There are characteristics of it that have never been seen in other viruses in nature.

 

[grunge]

If it gets to over half as much then the vaccines haven’t done their job and we are all fucked. What was the peak in Jan for deaths, 1,200? If it got anywhere near half that number of vaccinated people dying a day because of covid and not with it, then I would be worried.

What about you, when would you look at closing schools etc again?

I think it will go on hospitalisations this time around rather than deaths ( protect the NHS n all that ).

Currently we are at a quarter the hospitalisation rate. with a 7th of the amount "in hospital".

if we get to a similar level of hospitalisations then I think we'll be looking at some restrictions. masks/social distancing etc. that being said. I think the upcoming flu season will be a key factor in it. we need to be hammering out flu vaccines this year. a major flu hit means less capacity for Covid and vice versa.