Coronavirus (2021) thread

[RobMCFC]

I do not believe they have an adverse effect however if you want to force people to do something they would not naturally do, at the stage of a pandemic, the burden of proof in demonstrating a material benefit lies firmly with you.

Are you saying there are no factors thay differentiate the UK from France or Spain?

There will be factors, such as in a lot of places, particularly in Spain, there will be more socialising outdoors at this time of year. However, given that we live in a Northern climate and will be indoors more often, then we should be doing MORE than these countries. Yet sadly we are doing less.

I'm comfortable that wearing masks makes a difference. It's blindlingly obvious without the science, but as others have said, there is plenty of scientific evidence if you want to go and find it. If you choose not to believe, fair enough.

 

[west didsblue]

I do not believe they have an adverse effect however if you want to force people to do something they would not naturally do, at the stage of a pandemic, the burden of proof in demonstrating a material benefit lies firmly with you.

Are you saying there are no factors thay differentiate the UK from France or Spain?

And Germany, Italy, Belgium and any number of other European countries.
If you can think of any other factors, apart from more widespread mask wearing, that they all have in common except for us perhaps you could suggest what they are.

 

[True_Blue69]

Boosters haven't been offered to me as a 52yo.

I wonder if he will promise that he will follow his own guidance on mask wearing in the House of Commons.

I expect not.

Seriously? What are they playing at thought there was plenty of stock

 

[Bluewonder]

There will be factors, such as in a lot of places, particularly in Spain, there will be more socialising outdoors at this time of year. However, given that we live in a Northern climate and will be indoors more often, then we should be doing MORE than these countries. Yet sadly we are doing less.

I'm comfortable that wearing masks makes a difference. It's blindlingly obvious without the science, but as others have said, there is plenty of scientific evidence if you want to go and find it. If you choose not to believe, fair enough.

There's also plenty of evidence saying they don't make a material difference, as I'm sure you're aware.

Anyway, nobody is stopping you from wearing one if you want.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

How much beer would you plan on drinking on a tram?

"indoor gatherings and crowded events" i.e. a pub, or football ground etc.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Seriously? What are they playing at thought there was plenty of stock

See above. You cannot have a booster until at least 182 days after your second jab.

What I don’t understand is why those that are eligible are being told to wait until contacted. There is a booking site for boosters but many elderly people will wait until their GP or whatever gets in touch.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

On the odd occasion I forget my mask for a visit to a shop I feel a right twat walking around without a mask on knowing I could be spreading it to other people. I'm surprised other people don't feel similar when they do it. It's such a simple thing to do, it's not like they're trying to get you to commit a bank job is it.

 

[west didsblue]

On the odd occasion I forget my mask for a visit to a shop I feel a right twat walking around without a mask on knowing I could be spreading it to other people. I'm surprised other people don't feel similar when they do it. It's such a simple thing to do, it's not like they're trying to get to commit a bank job is it.

Although they would come in handy for bank jobs, particularly full face ones.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Do you believe that wearing a mask has an adverse effect?
If not, then where's the harm in trying it? And more to the point, trying to encourage others to do the same.

The difference in case numbers of countries like France and Spain vs the UK is staggering. To believe that this is either down to the way cases are counted or due to a myriad of other factors is being deliberately disingenuous.

And if all this evidence isn't enough, then it only strengthens the case for the government to make masks mandatory to force people who wouldn't otherwise wear them to begin doing so now before it's too late.

Might be this?

 

[Manchester33]

Asking how a scientific trial is controlled and its results disentangled is not tantamount to anti-vax or the peddling of conspiracries.

Asking others to change how they behave to mitigate your own fear is selfishness.

You can't be arsed reading the sources, so I can't be arsed explaining it to you.

People like you are quite amusing. I'm not scared of COVID. I'm double jabbed, young and healthy. I realise I'm not going to die from it, and there's a very low chance I'll get severely ill. What I am aware of though, is that there are plenty of people who are vulnerable and will die despite taking all the precautions they can. So I try not to be a selfish idiot and do minimal things like work from home (because I can) and wear a mask when in certain settings (like on a tram). I don't think that's asking a lot.

The reason people like you are funny is because of how short-sighted you are. You presumably want your freedoms (going to the matches, going to the pubs etc)? So are you so blind that you can't see the way things are going? The people running the NHS are literally pleading for help from the government now in October - what do you think is going to happen around Christmas? Do you think everything will magically get better?

Asking people to wear masks now will help the situation and will mean we can still do the things we enjoy doing. Going down the 'no-masks' route means there's a greater chance the NHS becomes overwhelmed and we need to impose more severe measures to stop the spread of COVID and the seasonal flu. So, either wear a mask and do your bit, or don't complain when restrictions return.