Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Tim of the Oak]

True enough Tim. I was specifically referring to bible-bashing Christians broadcasting to large audiences via dedicated TV channels though. We don't tend to have those people - and those TV channels - over here.

Very true mate. I do though worry, to a lesser extent, when I hear about people here giving 10% of their salaries to bible bashers and how easily they might be influenced.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Germany reports highest number of COVID deaths since February​

A total of 446 deaths have been reported today - the highest daily figure since 18 February - as the country faced warnings that intensive care admissions could reach above last winter's peak.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Germany reports highest number of COVID deaths since February​

A total of 446 deaths have been reported today - the highest daily figure since 18 February - as the country faced warnings that intensive care admissions could reach above last winter's peak.

They also have one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe, could there be a link here?

The numbers below indicate the total number of doses per 100 of the population as at 25th November. Need to consider that these numbers include for double doses and boosters. The truth is the majority of people that are going to have the vaccination probably have had it and those who oppose vaccinations or cannot have vaccinations are entrenched in their position.

Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rate by country 2023 | Statista

As of January 18, 2023, Portugal had the highest COVID-19 vaccination rate in Europe having administered 272.78 doses per 100 people in the country, while Malta had administered 258.49 doses per 100.

www.statista.com

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

They also have one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe, could there be a link here?

The numbers below indicate the total number of doses per 100 of the population as at 25th November. Need to consider that these numbers include for double doses and boosters. The truth is the majority of people that are going to have the vaccination probably have had it and those who oppose vaccinations or cannot have vaccinations are entrenched in their position.

Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rate by country 2023 | Statista

As of January 18, 2023, Portugal had the highest COVID-19 vaccination rate in Europe having administered 272.78 doses per 100 people in the country, while Malta had administered 258.49 doses per 100.

www.statista.com

A country who along with France, went out of their way to sow the seeds of doubt about vaccines by making completely wacky and unfounded statements about the AZ jab, to score shallow political points.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Google reveals:

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Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact

The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.

fullfact.org

The BMJ suggests that as of July 2021, a bit out of date I accept, but I would think the figures would show an even bigger gap, that of 40,000 admissions 84% had not been vaccinated with 13% having had one dose and 3% had had both doses!, Quite compelling numbers I'm sure you'd agree?

Covid-19: How is vaccination affecting hospital admissions and deaths?

An analysis of UK data from the National Immunisation Management Service (NIMS) and the Coronavirus Clinical Information Network (CO-CIN),1 endorsed by the UK Scientific and Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE),2 shows that of 40 000 patients with covid-19 who were admitted to hospital between...

www.bmj.com

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

A country who along with France, went out of their way to sow the seeds of doubt about vaccines by making completely wacky and unfounded statements about the AZ jab, to score shallow political points.

There's a lot of nationalism regarding vaccines in Germany too. Lots of people are refusing Moderna as they only will accept German manufactured Biontec (which is how Pfizer is referred to there).

A colleague of mine who lives in Dresden says his wife's hospital (she's a nurse) is overwhelmed with unvaccinated patients (only 55% fully vaccinated in Saxony). Germany has been very slow off the mark with boosters too.

 

[Marvin]

I think you are barking up the wrong tree about the unvaccinated and their reasons for not doing so.

In the UK where we have ready access to the data it's very obviously influenced by

1) Age
2) Class
3) Ethnicity

With age being far and away the most important factor. Some people are just lazy and will let inertia take over if they are not convinced of the risk. There are a lot of families where the adults are vaccinated and older children are not.

If you want to ask questions there are two I don't know the answer too but they are much more important that the trivia that is discussed on TV and by journalists at press conferences. These are the policy of spike protein based vaccines. An A level student could figure out its weakness and suggest an alternative. Then there's the mechanism of how variants have developed. There is a pattern, or a suspected pattern and we're not addressing it. I have never read one article about either of these two topics in the popular media but they are far more significant about the development of the his epidemic than when and where we introduce restrictions. All that does is influence the rate of growth it doesn't alter anything fundamental. Most people have figured out by now that it's going to spread and you can't stop it. One month isn't going to make a difference hence the apathy is grounded in some logic.

 

[BobKowalski]

A country who along with France, went out of their way to sow the seeds of doubt about vaccines by making completely wacky and unfounded statements about the AZ jab, to score shallow political points.

I think the seeds of doubt are being sown by the US still not approving the AZ vaccine and we recommended not using for the under forties. Also all boosters here are Pfizer and Mordena. Going forward it is unlikely we will be using AZ in the future.

Germany and Austria are behind the curve compared to France, Spain or Italy. They had looser vaccine passport requirements and Germany has an East Germany problem with vaccine hesitancy. The issues are largely cultural.

 

[grunge]

They also have one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe, could there be a link here?

The numbers below indicate the total number of doses per 100 of the population as at 25th November. Need to consider that these numbers include for double doses and boosters. The truth is the majority of people that are going to have the vaccination probably have had it and those who oppose vaccinations or cannot have vaccinations are entrenched in their position.

Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rate by country 2023 | Statista

As of January 18, 2023, Portugal had the highest COVID-19 vaccination rate in Europe having administered 272.78 doses per 100 people in the country, while Malta had administered 258.49 doses per 100.

www.statista.com

They are on basically the same level as us. we're on 67.8 they are 67.7.

How France overtook us I'll never know. I guess the threat to not being allowed into Cafe's really worked.

 

[Manc in London]

Has anyone had three vaccinations of the same vaccine?

Also, any data on the efficacy of having the same vaccine three times?

I ask as I had a double dose of AZ but I also want an AZ booster for medical reasons.