Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Marvin]

What is the balance of risk between protecting the population against serious illness and distributing a none-sterilising 'leaky' vaccine?

 

[Octavian]

We didn't have vaccines for Spanish Flu and the reality is that there is 20% fewer people in hospital than there was 6 weeks ago. As I said earlier, this is political and nothing else.

And estimates for Spanish Flu deaths range between 225,000 deaths to as many as 300,000 in the UK. This at a time when the population was smaller and people travelled much less.

Without the vaccines and restrictions we’d be looking at that number now for
Covid.

 

[blueparrot]

We didn't have vaccines for Spanish Flu and the reality is that there is 20% fewer people in hospital than there was 6 weeks ago. As I said earlier, this is political and nothing else.

Why ? what does it achieve for Johnson politically. Do you think it will make him popular ?

 

[Stoned Rose]

If continuous booster shots can’t prevent the need for restrictions or even possibly a lockdown in a more extreme scenario what hope do we even have ? People keep saying “stop fretting, it won’t be forever” but seemingly nothing we do is good enough in the long run. Hospitals eventually get overwhelmed regardless and we’re back into a depressing rut again. The virus has no boiological reasoning or pressure to lessen its lethality so we’re just stuck as we are pretending that everything will be okay when seemingly it won’t. Wish I could just disappear until this thing stops in its tracks and then reappear all of a sudden back into a better world.

This is now the bit where the people who haven’t been vaccinated get blamed.

 

[Bluewonder]

Why ? what does it achieve for Johnson politically. Do you think it will make him popular ?

A number of his own MPs have accused him of diversionary tactics as he is on the ropes with this Christmas party fiasco. I think that says it all.

 

[grunge]

Why ? what does it achieve for Johnson politically. Do you think it will make him popular ?

It gets the Christmas party story out of the press which is a story that could get him kicked out of power.

 

[blueparrot]

A number of his own MPs have accused him of diversionary tactics as he is on the ropes with this Christmas party fiasco. I think that says it all.

It gets the Christmas party story out of the press which is a story that could get him kicked out of power.

No ,it won’t. In fact it will make them harder to shake off as the hypocrisy calls will increase. Especially from those in his party that are against restrictions.

 

[Manc in London]

its a strange day

the prime minister apologises for a party at number 10 , he says and claims never happened.

the WHO say the vaccines offer protection against the new variant and that the new variant is less severe than previous variants but apparently the pm is going to announce more restrictions.

Are you suggesting a variant that is less severe (this is opinion not fact, yet) will not lead to a substantial increase on deaths not overwhelm the NHS?

 

[andyhinch]

No ,it won’t. In fact it will make them harder to shake off as the hypocrisy calls will increase. Especially from those in his party that are against restrictions.

That’s my take on it, time will tell.

 

[Manc in London]

Sums up the nonsense the scientists are spouting. Lauding their boosters and confirming it's a lesser variant and then advocating restrictions. Go unpick their logic.

You don't need to be a scientist to explain the logic of that. If a weaker virus infects more people, we could end up with more people becoming seriously ill, going to hospital and dying.